There was an exchange on this earlier. Someone who admires the tyrant shares in the injustice. Someone who feigns admiration is not admirable. — Banno
Your point? — Banno
That if we are trying to critique an individual, we need to understand that individual rather than your preconceived notion of what that person believes. — Ennui Elucidator
And again, your part int his conversation is tedious. — Banno
t seems the discussion is somehow taboo. The arguments against the OP amount to no more than "Banno, you can't say that!" — Banno
As if the object of faith were irrelevant so long as the "feeling" was right. What twaddle.
Do I have a tin ear? No, I'm pointing to an interesting discord in the melody. — Banno
Why would we assume the Christians have somehow got it all beautifully stitched together — Isaac
After all, our secular world is similarly constituted. — Isaac
Unless we're actually going to believe religious claims to divine access — Isaac
The right feeling for the religious is love and compassion. And I think it's fair to say that those who are authentically religious, whether Buddhists, Christians, Hindus or Muslims, believe in compassion and love for others regardless of cultural or religious differences. — Janus
Those who admire God for punishing the faithless I imagine would be a very small percentage of Christians, and much less of a percentage of the religious in general. — Janus
I pointed out that it’s not unusual for Christians to struggle with or have misgivings about the concept of hell. And it’s not a secret either. There’s lots of writing. There’s lots of public discussion. — Srap Tasmaner
What are we supposed to do here? I don’t believe in God, so I don’t believe in revelation either. I don’t seem to have much choice but to say that revelation must be somewhere on a spectrum running from delusion to misinterpretation. — Srap Tasmaner
I’m not inclined to shrug off my recognition that I could hold different beliefs from the ones I do, could have had different experiences from the ones I’ve had, and possibly understand a great many things quite differently. — Srap Tasmaner
I lean away from being as dismissive of other’s views as I was when I was twenty. — Srap Tasmaner
I pointed out that it’s not unusual for Christians to struggle with or have misgivings about the concept of hell. And it’s not a secret either. There’s lots of writing. There’s lots of public discussion.
— Srap Tasmaner
Oh absolutely. But here I find these struggles are presented as segregated from ours. — Isaac
title is"The moral character of Christians" as though no Christian has ever had the moral fibre to even consider the problem. — unenlightened
This is the problem with the thread. It purports to be a criticism of the doctrine of eternal punishment, but the title is"The moral character of Christians" as though no Christian has ever had the moral fibre to even consider the problem. The separation thus has to be maintained even as the difficulty is denied and puzzlement expressed at the feeble and off topic objections. and this from one who is won't to complain of the low quality of philosophy of religion on the site. — unenlightened
the view of some Christians in this would be very interesting — Isaac
is your point that good catholics, the pope included, do not actually believe the doctrine they espouse? That would indeed be a good thing. Would that they did not then feel obligated to pretend that they do, when dealing with events in the world. — Banno
wonder whether it is even possible to worship the God of the bible in such a 'clear headed' fashion? — fdrake
taboo — Banno
I concede that the neglected argument doesn’t apply against deism. — Divine Evil
Most Christians follow a version of the religion that is committed to divine evil, evil perpetrated by God. Most, therefore, fall afoul of the neglected argument. Perhaps some do not. Perhaps some are inclined to accept the universalist fantasy I have just outlined. Can that count as a genuine style of Christianity? I shall leave that for the theologians to decide. — Divine Evil
I don't think Christians, by and large, actually believe the things they say they believe. I think the simplest explanation for why the things they say make no sense to a secular audience is that they things they say make no sense. — Isaac
Allah the merciful — Agent Smith
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