So what to think of the conjecture about mind uploading? — Haglund
Awesome! :up:It happens that I am an IT person and I also know a lot about the mind and how it works. So, most probably, because of this and also the huge amount of nonsense I have heard on the subject, I use to overreact to considerations, propositions and sometimes allegations, such as the one of this topic ... — Alkis Piskas
I have I heard about "uploading" the brain or the mind to a computer hundreds of times. It sounds totally ridiculous for someone
So, I believe that if someone originates a discussion regarding this subject, he should know well these things. I mean, esp. in here. Because, outside "in the world", one can hear a lot of nonsense — Alkis Piskas
knows what a mind and a computer are and how they work. — Alkis Piskas
hahaha! :lol: — L'éléphant
I don't know what does "mind" mean to you, but the functioning of robots, like computers, is based on electronic circuits. And these circuits work on the basis of rudimentary and logic (AND, OR, XOR, etc.), which are reduced into 0/1 states. This occurs at a "low level". At a higher level, human beings use programming, which can involve quite sophisticated and intelligent algorithms, and this programming --software-- is then "translated" into low level commands for the computer/robot firmware and hardware.You think it's possible to program a mind in a robot body? — Haglund
I don't know what kind of individuals are you referring to. Anyway, as I already said, if someone knows well what computers amdna mind are and how they work, cannot even think about such a thing. I have already explained the reason why in detail with facts. (At least, the computer part, which is much easier. I leave it to your reasoning and imagination trying to fit the human mind --with all its complexities, features and abilities-- into a computer chip! :smile:)But many individuals in the world of Artificial Intelligence, genetic engineering, cybernetics, electronic/quantum/biological computing, physics/chemistry/biology do think that transplanting the human brain into an alternate container to continue an individual consciousness IS plausible. — universeness
I don't know what kind of individuals are you referring to. — Alkis Piskas
(If you had the same knowledge in both fields as I do, you would most probably say the same things.) — Alkis Piskas
I didn't say "fully" --that would be foolish-- I said "well". Huge difference. Try to duplicate what people are writing. It helps using TPF Quote feature to quote exactly the other person's words.no one yet knows fully how the human brain works, including you. — universeness
I don't. This was just an example.Why do you limit your thinking to downloading a single human consciousness onto what is currently identified/labeled 'a computer chip? — universeness
I don't. And it's irrelevant to my point.Do you really think that we never will again? — universeness
It has already a very good undestanding of the brain. Very little though about the mind.Do you think human scientific endeavor will simply not achieve a full understanding of how the human brain works and be able to 'replicate it?' — universeness
I know enough to exclude such a possibility. You also know that, only you don't allow yourself discover it because you are based on false assumptions. E.g. that consciousness is of a material nature.What do you think you know about human consciousness that proves that downloading an individual human consciousness and storing it outside the vessel of the traditional physical human body with triune brain, is impossible? — universeness
Often. But this is is also irrelevant to my point.How often has sci-fi become sci-fact? I think often enough is the answer. — universeness
Certainly not., since you don't have "the same knowledge in both fields as I do".No, I wouldn't as I am not you and don't think like you. — universeness
Nice to meet you. Yeah, cause you got the joke, too..godwantsitthisway
could be shortened to just
.god
which might stand for genetically organised download.
Okay, I might have taken my attempt at humour too far! :blush:
I got carried away because my career was teaching computing science and you laughed a wee bit at my .hahastillhere joke. :smile: — universeness
How about:
DonaldTrump.awForFu**Sake — universeness
I don't wanna get uploaded in that file! The chips might explode — Haglund
I bet the whole computer including the chip, would turn bright orange with a yellow top and its first communication would be
"Seriously folks, this is the best, most wonderful chip of all the chips that have ever existed in a Universe full of chips, really folks, its the truth, it really is, all those other chips are just .fake and .foolish chips — universeness
I don't know what does "mind" mean to you, but the functioning of robots, like computers, is based on electronic circuits. And these circuits work on the basis of rudimentary and logic (AND, OR, XOR, etc.), which are reduced into 0/1 states. This occurs at a "low level". — Alkis Piskas
At a higher level, human beings use programming, which can involve quite sophisticated and intelligent algorithms, and this programming --software-- is then "translated" into low level commands for the computer/robot firmware and hardware.
Do you mean that when we switch a light on/off and its result, when we turn a device on/off and its result, etc. occur in our minds only?The reduction to 0/1 states occurs in our minds, and not in the physics of the machine. — Daemon
I do undestand them. Do you?You can see and try to understand these words — Daemon
Well, show me where imagination, logical thinking, crativity, etc, take place in the brain ...your mind is in the physics (biochemistry) of the brain. — Daemon
You missed in that, too. I am a professional programmer and work with computers since 1982!Anybody who thinks you could load a mind into a digital computer in the way you suggest doesn't understand how either brains or computers work. — Daemon
I would, if he weren't blame others for his ignorance, as I said.I think we should show Daemon some gratitude — Haglund
Well, I already said that I know computers well. I actually work with computers. And of course I know that the brain works digfferently, although I don't have the same experience and knowledge about it; not even close.Computers function differently from the brain. — Haglund
It is ridiculous to think that our minds can be uploaded to computers, since they cannot even be "uploaded" to our brains, which are much more sophisticated systems than computers. — Alkis Piskas
It is ridiculous to think that our minds can be uploaded to computers, since they cannot even be "uploaded" to our brains, which are much more sophisticated systems than computers — Alkis Piskas
The brain has a dynamic memory capacity of 10exp(10exp20)! A computer chip, max 10exp25? — Haglund
You missed in that, too. I am a professional programmer and work with computers since 1982! — Alkis Piskas
Do you mean that when we switch a light on/off and its result, when we turn a device on/off and its result, etc. occur in our minds only? — Alkis Piskas
Input Voltages for Logic Gates
Logic gate circuits are designed to input and output only two types of signals: “high” (1) and “low” (0), as represented by a variable voltage: full power supply voltage for a “high” state and zero voltage for a “low” state. In a perfect world, all logic circuit signals would exist at these extreme voltage limits, and never deviate from them (i.e., less than full voltage for a “high,” or more than zero voltage for a “low”).
However, in reality, logic signal voltage levels rarely attain these perfect limits due to stray voltage drops in the transistor circuitry, and so we must understand the signal level limitations of gate circuits as they try to interpret signal voltages lying somewhere between full supply voltage and zero.
Voltage Tolerance of TTL Gate Inputs
TTL gates operate on a nominal power supply voltage of 5 volts, +/- 0.25 volts. Ideally, a TTL “high” signal would be 5.00 volts exactly, and a TTL “low” signal 0.00 volts exactly.
However, real TTL gate circuits cannot output such perfect voltage levels, and are designed to accept “high” and “low” signals deviating substantially from these ideal values.
“Acceptable” input signal voltages range from 0 volts to 0.8 volts for a “low” logic state, and 2 volts to 5 volts for a “high” logic state.
“Acceptable” output signal voltages (voltage levels guaranteed by the gate manufacturer over a specified range of load conditions) range from 0 volts to 0.5 volts for a “low” logic state, and 2.7 volts to 5 volts for a “high” logic state
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