If charges rotate wider, the magnetic moment changes. The superstrong color force keeps the prekns together, like the quarks in hadrons. So the Lagrangian is QCD like. Charged hadrons have various magnetic moments too. — Haglund
It's not a matter of using maths explicitly, but that most of the concepts in mathematical physics require a grasp of the maths in order to understand. — Wayfarer
But as physics moved from Europe to the USA and increasingly under the patronage of the military-industrial complex then it became much more a matter of shut up and calculate. — Wayfarer
We don't know enough about the universe to verify much of what they write. — Gregory
So you were hand-waving. Yet even my quick search found such consideration from 2004 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0102242.pdf — apokrisis
That's from 2004! — Haglund
If you can find a calculation based on the C and U preons, show it please. There isn't. — Haglund
What's so difficult to understand that the dipole moment is different if the muon is an excited electron? — Haglund
It is impossibleto separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powersfor there to be a world without causality. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain. — Agent Smith/Pierre de Fermat
I see what you mean, I think. But what if your space changes it's metric? Your shapes would change. If you draw lines and shapes on a thin piece of stretchable rubber, don't the shapes change form? If they keep their shape, the distances between the shapes will change, like the distance between static galaxies in the universe grows. — Haglund
It's only you who insists on seeing the embedding dimension that the intrinsic curvature of differential geometry has long done away with. — apokrisis
Heat is lost into the space that gets made. — apokrisis
Physicists just take Laws & Constants for granted, without further explanation. — Gnomon
And we have very good reason to take these laws for granted, because God is extremely trustworthy. So we can all become atheist. — Metaphysician Undercover
Good point. Until the Greek Revival / Enlightenment gave scientists the courage to abandon the age-old all-purpose explanation --- that the omniscient-omnipotent-god-concept explains all philosophical mysteries --- most sages & scientists were forced by their ignorance of ultimate causes to postulate a hypothetical First Cause, as a catch-all non-explanation.It hasn't always been like this. Newton for example indicated that the reality, or truth of his first law of motion, what we call inertia, is dependent on the Will of God. — Metaphysician Undercover
Unfortunately, I get the impression that some aggressive posters raise such arcane technical questions in an effort to intimidate those outside the esoteric cabal of priests of Physics. Like you, I typically ask them to take-it-outside, as irrelevant (immaterial) to the "philosophical implications" of the topic under discussion. Typically though, they chalk-up that evasion as a triumph of enlightened Science over superstitious Philosophy. I for one, am inclined to allow them this little conceit, if it allows them to declare victory and beat a hasty retreat. :joke:but there's a difference between discussing the philosophical implications of physics, and the kinds of debates going on inside physics, which are pretty well by definition only intelligible to those trained in it. — Wayfarer
There is no clear motivation given for how preons are confined. I'm seeing superstrong EM, gravity, and metagluons being offered as binding mechanisms — apokrisis
The Universe is the heat sink. It expands and thus cools. Heat is lost into the space that gets made. — apokrisis
So preons are appealing in many ways. It is nice they could explain particle generations using the analogy of atomic orbitals. It is fun that they might make U(1) fundamental and present at the Planck scale, while making SU(2) redundant - when Standard Model and leptoquarks make its seem the most central gauge group with its complex number magic. — apokrisis
Apokrisis claimed space was both flat and curved, — Metaphysician Undercover
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