To me, there is a very clear distinction between (as you say) God existing and someone having free will to "piss in your milk and steal your honey." In other words, since God didn't actually piss in your milk, the fact that your milk was pissed in does not mean He is unfair. I tend to side with Plantinga on Plantinga vs Mackie on the Logical Problem of Evil (if I remember correctly, even Mackie thought so too).If God exists, then God isn't treating you unfairly. No matter what happens to you, God wasn't being unfair in allowing it to happen.
Would an all knowing and all powerful being need to make upgrades? And couldn't they fix all issues in a space of time and in a way that it goes unnoticed or unremembered? — TiredThinker
The god of Abraham (i.e. religious theism). Ask the OP; I think my assumption is consistent with his / her query.i. created nature that is wastefully indifferent and ravaged by gratuitous suffering
and/or
ii. created us sick but commands us to be well
and/or
iii. eternally punishes us for our temporal crimes
is certainly not "fair" (just).
— 180 Proof
I don't know to which God you are referring to — SpaceDweller
Only fictions are "unconditional". Choosing and acting – manifestations of "free will" – are conditioned in fact by consequences.but:
i. is necessity for free will to be unconditional and real
Hardly. Read the book of Genesis about what Augustine calls "original sin". In "paradise", the first man and woman created free of "sin" eventually – inevitably (i.e. set up by god to "fall") – sinned, which afflicted their descendents and all of the rest of "creation".ii. is generalization
False. There is both forgiveness (for "the elect few") and punishment (for the vast majority). For example, Mosaic Law consists of "613 mitzvahs", etc.iii. isfalsebecause there is forgiveness of mistakes or crimes
God would not allow anyone to piss in your milk or steal your honey if you were a nice innocent person. Yet here you are living in a world in which anyone can piss in your milk and steal your honey at any time.
Therefore you are not a nice innocent person. Nor is anyone else here. — Bartricks
Equity is heat-death; fairness is its antithesis. — Banno
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