But assuming there was an all knowing and all powerful god that created us and wants the best for us. Are they fair? — TiredThinker
But assuming there was an all knowing and all powerful god that created us and wants the best for us. Are they fair? It is easy to imagine how we'd do things differently, but can we determine if such a god is fair — TiredThinker
Fairness is valued by us, and if it comes about, that is as a result of our efforts. — Banno
i. created nature wastefully indifferent and ravaged by gratuitous suffering
and/or
ii. created us sick but commands us to be well
and/or
iii. eternally punishes us for our temporal crimes — 180 Proof
I find it hard to identify what fair means in general. But assuming there was an all knowing and all powerful god that created us and wants the best for us. Are they fair? It is easy to imagine how we'd do things differently, but can we determine if such a god is fair? — TiredThinker
I find it hard to identify what fair means in general. But assuming there was an all knowing and all powerful god that created us and wants the best for us. Are they fair? It is easy to imagine how we'd do things differently, but can we determine if such a god is fair? — TiredThinker
Yeah, God's a fuckin' righteous peach — Tom Storm
Do we know the will of this god to know if we are doing the right things to the world they created? — TiredThinker
If there is a "creator god", then suffering (e.g. animals eating animals, incapacitating birth defects, catastrophic natural disasters, psychopathologies, mass extinctions, etc) is either gratuitious or it's not. And "god-given" gratuitious suffering isn't fair, is it? :mask:How do you measure the gratuitousness of thehumansuffering? — TiredThinker
According to Genesis, god gave human beings a form of "free will" lacking in strength, or capability, for us to freely refrain from "sinning" and yet god punishes human beings precisely because we are afflicted with this "god-given" weakness, or incapability. :brow:I don't understand your statement about creating us sick
According to Genesis, god gave human beings a form of "free will" lacking the strength or capability for us to freely refrain from "sinning" — 180 Proof
But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it. — 4:7
i. created nature wastefully indifferent and ravaged by gratuitous suffering
and/or
ii. created us sick but commands us to be well
and/or
iii. eternally punishes us for our temporal crimes
is certainly not "fair" (just). — 180 Proof
Some have difficulty accepting this because they're already convinced that they're loveable good people who deserve nothing but milk and honey. — Bartricks
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