I wasn't sure. I agree with you but I'm arguing that there isn't any morsl concern warranted by inexistent persons. — 180 Proof
The unexaminedlife is not worth living. — Socrates
Your "14 year old daughter" is an existent person who warrants (your) moral concern. Inexistent persons (e.g. Samwise Gamgee, the not-yet-conceived / unborn) do not warrant moral concern. Your example is a category error, Smith. — 180 Proof
I am grateful to you for your excessively kind words. However, as I have said before, I have a lot to learn. Nevertheless, I remain convinced that universal antinatalism is not a tenable position. — DA671
You can at least teach your adherent over there a lesson in how to debate without flying off the (fuckn) handle. — schopenhauer1
It's quite clear that we lack the info necessary to come to a definitive conclusion in re natalism/antinatalism — Agent Smith
I disagree because in the final analysis, for me, the single case of the person who honestly states on their deathbed that they have had a wonderful life and they would be happy to 'do it all again.' Outweighs the person or perhaps even persons who honestly state on their deathbed that they have had a terrible life and they are glad it's over. I am not sure if my opinion would become a numbers game with a cut-off point if reliable evidence was presented that the ratio of happy lives against horrible lives was 1:1000000 or such like then the ground beneath my position might well quake severely. — universeness
I disagree because in the final analysis, for me, the single case of the person who honestly states on their deathbed that they have had a wonderful life and they would be happy to 'do it all again.' Outweighs the person or perhaps even persons who honestly state on their deathbed that they have had a terrible life and they are glad it's over. — universeness
How does this argument not then turn into a moral imperative to create as many new persons as possible? — Tzeentch
The difference is that following the antinatalist suggestion means extinction for our species.What makes child-having different? — Tzeentch
and it will be ever thus until we do go extinct or the universe ends, whichever comes first.No worries, sir. The journey shall go on. — DA671
How does this argument not then turn into a moral imperative to create as many new persons as possible? — Tzeentch
Because we can be smarter than that. — universeness
The difference is that following the antinatalist suggestion means extinction for our species. — universeness
Human suffering is an issue that humans have to deal with, ... — universeness
We also have to deal with the knowledge that we will die but we are NOT ALONE, We can comfort, love, encourage, share, laugh, learn, change, grow, experience, ask questions, cry, complain, ask for help, give help etc etc.
What a wonderful life! — universeness
The simple question is, where do they get the right to make such a monumental and potentially disastrous decision on behalf of someone else? — Tzeentch
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