What else is there besides desires and standards? Intuition? Reciprocal altruism? — Cartesian trigger-puppets
I just don’t understand how we can assess the truth value of a sentence when there is a term that we do not understand… — Cartesian trigger-puppets
Language? — Isaac
Shoplifting is wrong because it's the sort of thing we use the word 'wrong' for. — Isaac
What is it out language is attempting to capture? Whats the referent? — Cartesian trigger-puppets
we use the word ‘wrong’ to describe ‘wrong acts’ and shoplifting is one of those ‘wrong acts.’ — Cartesian trigger-puppets
We don't use the word 'wrong' to describe wrong acts. We use the word 'wrong' to describe some acts and not others. You're assuming there's some strict property we're identifying by that use but you've given no reason why you think there is. Why can we not use the word vaguely, or contextually, or without the other person completely understanding what we mean? — Isaac
I just rearranged your statement so to make it clear that it was tautological. — Cartesian trigger-puppets
This wouldn’t be moral realism though. — Michael
Moral realists are those who think that, in these respects, things should be taken at face value—moral claims do purport to report facts and are true if they get the facts right. — https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/
Im asking what moral or normative terms mean on a realist construal. — Cartesian trigger-puppets
Shoplifting is wrong because it's the sort of thing we use the word 'wrong' for. — Isaac
Shoplifting is wrong because it's the sort of thing we use the word 'wrong' for. — Isaac
This is not a tautology? — Cartesian trigger-puppets
You answer a tangential question “Why is shoplifting wrong?” (Which is the same as asking “Why do we use the word ‘wrong’ to describe things like shoplifting.”) by answering, essentially, “Because shoplifting is wrong.” — Cartesian trigger-puppets
That has no bearing on what moral realists mean. — Michael
If you ask "what does 'tree' mean" would you expect an answer other than just to point to a tree and say "It's one of those"? why would you expect the answer to "what does 'moral' mean" to be any different than to point to moral acts and say "it's one of those"? — Isaac
On a realist construal, moral good and bad are things of the world—they are a thing or property of the world. — Cartesian trigger-puppets
point to the property something has to have to be considered ‘wrong’. — Cartesian trigger-puppets
You said moral realists believe morality relates to objective facts. Being part of a group of behaviours associated with a particular word is an objective fact. If you mean to claim some additional criteria for moral realism, then state it. — Isaac
Moral realists claim that moral facts are objective in the sense that the speed of light and the existence of Mercury are objective. — Michael
Moral realism is not a particular substantive moral view nor does it carry a distinctive metaphysical commitment over and above the commitment that comes with thinking moral claims can be true or false and some are true. — SEP Article
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