I keep asking her, and she reads, beautiful, interesting, insightful, complex stories, with wonderfully loveable characters, but she reads silently, just to herself. No fun. — god must be atheist
Benj96Hats off to you for yer brief but well-considered post mon ami! — Agent Smith
I found out that the creator of the world in native cultures was not the forbidding giant of a monstrous knower, judge and goodness. — god must be atheist
You're welcome. We still have a long way to go! — Agent Smith
I can only imagine how many kernels of wisdom are out there in the far reaches. Some perhaps still alive but many surely lost to time as well. — Benj96
I was particularly struck by the similarities between Native North American and African creation myths. Like the god of Genesis, they are all relatably small gods, making worlds with a place just for their own little group of humans... and the humans manage to screw it up by doing the one thing the god warned them against. None of the other gods I know of sentenced anyone to death or banished them or hurt them; the humans just lost some connection with the natural world, or a magical power.There's a certain De ja vu to reading of the various cultural, religious and philosophical views - both archaic and modern. A familiarity beneath them all, despite their individual idiosyncrasies — Benj96
Like the god of Genesis, they are all relatably small gods, making worlds with a place just for their own little group of humans... and the humans manage to screw it up by doing the one thing the god warned them against — Vera Mont
None of the other gods I know of sentenced anyone to death or banished them or hurt them; the humans just lost some connection with the natural world, or a magical — Vera Mont
Seems more forgiving than the other interpretations, — Benj96
but that happened something like 4000 years ago, and a lot of rigid, mean-spirited dogma has been layered on top ever since. — Vera Mont
oral traditions; stories were embellished, adjusted and adapted by each new teller. — Vera Mont
I read a lot of Hungarian fairy tales, in my childhood, — god must be atheist
Aside from that, there is quite a bit of very modern mythology surrounding the character of just king Mathias. — god must be atheist
the morals did serve the survival of the status quo. — god must be atheist
And while the status quo provided a horribly skewed distribution of goods and benefits, all members of society fared better IN the society than OUTSIDE of it. — god must be atheist
So the lessons, that promoted accepting common societal ethics, were less palatable to us now than Gypsy tales, but they promoted better a type of social survival systems. — god must be atheist
The proposition was that the folklore was non-Hungarian tales imported from Germany. — god must be atheist
You found an exception to translations, and that's lovely; I'm sure there is a similar one in Wales and Ireland and Euskal Herria - in fact, in every small country that's been annexed by a big one. Its morals, if any, are in the Arthur/Clovis/Eric the Victorious etc genre : semi-legendary patriarchal figures around which the group identity solidifies. They don't need to be derived. They arise spontaneously all around the world; these heroic long-ago leaders become the repository national pride and hope. They carry a very particular kind of message. Human make stories for all kinds of reasons.So did I [read Hungarian fairy tales] only to find out much later that they were not really Hungarian, most of them. They were Grimm and Anderson and translated from German - sort of pan-European fairy tales. — Vera Mont
I don't recall assuming an obligation to serve you up anything.I wished you would have served up an example of a realistic alternative to the status quo, which you very conveniently did not. — god must be atheist
In the Middle ages - source of material for the majority, but not 100% of pan_European moral tales - any community that declared an alternative belief was promptly eradicated as heretical.intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together
This is why all peasant revolutions in the middle ages failed. They had the power, they had the numbers, but they had not the idea. — god must be atheist
I don't have the inclination or the energy to argue against unimaginative and downright wrong propositions ad infinitum. — god must be atheist
It doesn't feel right to me to cause animals to suffer and die just because we like the way they taste etc.
I think we should be nice to animals. — Down The Rabbit Hole
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