Fascism is alive and well. — Vera Mont
But the aspiring German empire was smashed not by good people doing good things; it was defeated in a bloody, brutal, wasteful, horrible war, by other nations using the very same method as the aggressor. — Vera Mont
Good people can use nefarious people against nefarious people.
— universeness
And then they themselves become nefarious. — Vera Mont
Did you side with the scientifically elegant bombs? — Vera Mont
That's not the choice for values. That's a simplistic depiction of a long and complex moral development. — Vera Mont
Then they are no different from bad people. If there is no difference in behaviour, what is the difference? — unenlightened
So, no 'good' people were involved in the defeated of the Germans, Japanese, Italians etc in WW 2? — universeness
You are just engaging in superfluous wordplay Vera.
I leave the judgement of who is nefarious and who fights the nefarious to others such as yourself. — universeness
If you choose not to know how many good people are swept up in the actions of 'bad' countries, or what the governments and armies of 'good' nations do in war, I'm sure you're happier. — Vera Mont
because good people do not do bad things, bad people have the advantage of being able to be good when it suits them and bad when it suits them more. — unenlightened
But your problem is that you are trying to incorporate a moral framework into a crude scientism, and failing to do it, and then just inventing the frankly contradictory notion that good triumphs over evil on that material, self-interest level. Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. — unenlightened
But it's not a problem for me — universeness
Clearly not. And if you do not have a problem, I can offer no solution. — unenlightened
Are you being self-referential here or just making a general statement of opinion about the approach of many or most people? — universeness
they — universeness
Not just they; all of you. Faith in deities, faith in science, faith in humanity, faith in Good... all the same. — Vera Mont
those are qualitatively different modes of faith. — Merkwurdichliebe
Believing - contrary to all evidence - that something humans created will solve the human condition. — Vera Mont
Of course they can. Get every member of any evanhellical church, to enter any hospital or even better, any palliative care based hospice, and pray constantly over every terminal patient in that hospice. Then see how many patients become no longer terminal! We could even restrict it to terminal patients of a fixed age range, so that the theists cant use the excuse that the patients were just 'too old to save.'Studies can't tell if prayer works — Gregory
I 'believe' the 'human created' Asprin, will cure my headache(a human 'condition'). — universeness
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