It's not accurate to consider regret a major factor. It's 1 to 2%. — Benkei
Not really. I don't hate or fear trans people - I support any adult's right to choose. — Tzeentch
However, when you start blaming a society that's bending over backwards to accomodate trans people, I am not going to sugar coat things. — Tzeentch
When this thing that on the surface looks like it would destroy your mental health starts actually destroying people's mental health, how is that in any way surprising? — Tzeentch
Conclusion
The text contains several inaccuracies and misconceptions about transgender individuals and the effects of gender-affirming care. Current research supports that acceptance and appropriate medical treatment generally lead to positive mental health outcomes for transgender people. It's important to approach this topic with empathy and rely on evidence-based information to foster understanding and support. — GPT-o1
I straightforwardly mistrust those statistics — Tzeentch
I'm simply taking issue with blaming high suicide rates on "society" when that society is doing everything it can to be accomodating, while people are subjecting themselves to these kinds of procedures. — Tzeentch
They’re not liars or delusional. The claim is that what is delusional is the belief that you can change sexes. I’ve seen no convincing evidence to counter that argument— but I’m open to hearing one. — Mikie
Open a new thread if you want to continue discussing. — Tzeentch
So, basically you're just pushing the same unsubstantiated ideas — Christoffer
The investigation is primarily for children, not adults. — Christoffer
Non-binary has to do with gender identity, not biological sex. — Christoffer
Conclusion on that is that parents and doctors aren't just letting kids do anything without proper investigation. — Christoffer
This is probably the most highly-esteemed platform for investigative journalism in the Netherlands. — Tzeentch
Yet there is still a screening for adults who seek to transition. — BitconnectCarlos
Yes, and gender identity is the subject here not biological sex. We're moving past transsexualism (now often considered an outdated term) into transgenderism. Or are we going to insist that those seeking to transition possess the correct biological markers before allowing them access to HRT? — BitconnectCarlos
Proper investigation into what? That they're "really" transgender? That they were "really" born in the wrong body? The medical community creates the criteria. Do we allow a child to transition if their parents say no? — BitconnectCarlos
but adults who want to transition need to go through years of investigation? — Christoffer
Non-binary can rely on an underlying bias towards a certain sex, but it's not equally common they do transitions. The foundation for transitioning is still based on the same experience of either alignment or not. — Christoffer
Most children have some confusion about their gender, it's part of growing up. — Christoffer
Investigation is about trying to differentiate if this is such common confusion or being a more fundamental case of transgenderism. I'm not sure what makes you think children are put into transitioning just haphazardly. — Christoffer
The problem is that things like this becomes a foundation for conclusions that doesn't correlate with the specifics of the criticism. — Christoffer
For example, let's stop the ongoing trend of nose jobs. The regret rate among patients is at an average 16.4%. Since this leads to mental health issues such as "Body Dysmorphic Disorder", depression, anxiety and "Post-Surgical Dissatisfaction" with many returning for correction that only deepens the problems, I suggest that we should ban nose jobs in society.
Why isn't this an equal issue in society seen as how many go through with it? — Christoffer
Why is it that transgender people gets this much critique? — Christoffer
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