Though not equally hard, I imagine. Faith is a belief largely or wholly unsupported by empirical evidence.Faith is our interpretation of the life experience we are having and it is based on the mind and heart working together. — Raef Kandil
Religion is based on text. — Raef Kandil
No it doesn't. Experience-based faith needs no interpretation, but faith and subjective experiences may be chronicled and their interpretation may later becomes religious text.Faith uses text to interpret the experience. — Raef Kandil
I suppose "religion" is the institutionalization of fetish-making/regulating/prohibiting (i.e. enforced dogma) whereas 'faith" is personal fetish-using (i.e. make-believe) such that the latter does not require the former – what you call "liberation", Raef – but the former very much depends on the latter.All I am saying is: religion and faith are totally different things. — Raef Kandil
And then?
Religion is an act of fear. Faith is act of liberation. Prophets are not following dogmas. They are essentially defying all the society rules to favour their truthfulness to the experience they are having. — Raef Kandil
Faith is our interpretation of the life experience we are having and it is based on the mind and heart working together. — Raef Kandil
Faith is a belief largely or wholly unsupported by empirical evidence. — Vera Mont
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "And then"? — Raef Kandil
And yes, I think faith is just another name for intuition and religious faith is intuition for people who carry around a different model of the world than we do. — T Clark
All I am saying is: religion and faith are totally different things — Raef Kandil
(Emphasis is mine.)Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. — Galatians 2:16, KJV
(Emphasis is mine.)Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. — Romans 3:28, KJV
(Emphasis is mine.)⁸For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
⁹Not of works, lest any man should boast. — Ephesians 2:8-9, KJV
Faith is a belief largely or wholly unsupported by empirical evidence. — Vera Mont
This is certainly not true. I know a lot of religious people who are not afraid. For many, belief in God in the company of others who feel the same is a way to focus their attention outside of themselves, to give themselves to their community, to surrender their will, and to trust in the world
Why would intuition need another name? Particular one that is usually taken to mean something quite different from what we usually mean by intuition, instinct, hunches or gut feelings?
Intuition is usually taken to mean a tentative or provisional conclusion drawn from incomplete or discontinuous evidence because precedents and patterns we recognize suggest what the picture should be. It's a conclusion arrived-at by jumping over the gaps. It's very useful as an indicator for fresh lines of inquiry, or pointing to aspects of a problem have not been sufficiently investigated.
Faith may well be based on a different model of the world, but it provides its owner with a certainty that precludes any further inquiry or room for doubt. An incontestable conclusion.
This is why, when our intuition, guesstimate or hunch turns out to be wrong, we eat a little crow and keep trucking. When we lose our faith, our whole model of the world and confidence in ourself crumbles.
That incidentally is fideism.
it seems like you're redefining words and engaged more in creative writing than philosophy. Not that there's anything wrong with that... and it makes for some interesting sort of college dorm room musing. But the words you're using have accepted definitions and attempting to redefining them in your own way is not going to become the norm for society... so how does it really get us anywhere?
It's like people who redefine God as love. And then they say well then of course God exists. But obviously most people use the idea of God to mean more than just love... Anyway that's my two cents
They do. Religion tells enormous lies about God, like wiping out the entire world (minus Noah & Co) with a flood, or that God impregnated a woman who was not his wife. Religion often uses God's existence for its own benefit rather than leading people to God, which is why religion is often wealthy and has much political power.I am anti-religion and a true believer in God. Maybe you think these things don't mix, but they do. — Raef Kandil
Thus "faith" as applied to an expectation/trust/belief in an outcome, can be supported by empirical evidence.
Let's not confuse "faith" in things with only religion alone. Faith = trust. You can have faith in any belief. It may or may not stand up to ridicule/scrutiny. — Benj96
This is why, when our intuition, guesstimate or hunch turns out to be wrong, we eat a little crow and keep trucking. When we lose our faith, our whole model of the world and confidence in ourself crumbles. — Vera Mont
what you are saying is that they need the support system to trust the world. — Raef Kandil
Because it involves a factor variously designated salvation, release, mokṣa, or liberation. Whereas there’s nothing in the current concept of naturalism that corresponds to that. — Wayfarer
AKA faith.That incidentally is fideism. — Wayfarer
I have faith that this chair will support my weight. — Benj96
You've ignored the substance of my comment and focused on a language disagreement. — T Clark
What is that internal model built from, if not experience and learning of real facts, things and events in the real world? At some points during that construction, reason must have been involved in assessing which bits to keep and discard, which bits go where in the model. The sustained belief emerges from testing that internal model with the real world over time. If it doesn't correspond closely enough, your motors won't run and your chairs will collapse.My claim is that most of what we know and how we make decisions is not based on reason but on the totality of our experience and learning. I guess this is something like the correspondence theory of truth except we don't compare our beliefs with the world but with a model of the world we carry around with us. — T Clark
I don't see this is as a contradiction toI came to recognize my initial understanding of a problem came from a mostly unconscious processing of the information I have studied, my understanding of my professional body of knowledge, and my general knowledge of life. In short, it was ultimately founded on an empirical but not rational basis. — T Clark
Faith is a belief largely or wholly unsupported by empirical evidence. — Vera Mont
I am anti-religion and a true believer in God. Maybe you think these things don't mix, but they do. — Raef Kandil
Prophets are not religious, but they have faith. — Raef Kandil
Religion is an act of fear. Faith is act of liberation. Prophets are not following dogmas. They are essentially defying all the society rules to favour their truthfulness to the experience they are having. — Raef Kandil
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