If truth is not an axiom that can be applied universally then are such truth statements as the first one in this OP useless? — invicta
But are such statements as the first one of any value to the philosopher when its truth value changes with the conditions (context) from which the statement is mad
are such statements as the first one of any value to the philosopher when its truth value changes with the conditions (context) from which the statement is made? — invicta
On the other hand statements such as the ones in the second examples are tautologies but in a sense are more valuable in modern setting as they’re the basis of calculators and more complex computational machines which we rely on in the modern world. — invicta
Take the following statement below as not only being out of context but also being untruthful
All red apples are sweet
In the above statement would you say it’s useless be the mere fact that it’s out of context or that it is untrue ? — invicta
Apples grow on trees
The above has informative value in any given context as it informs the uninformed that apples grow on trees — invicta
It's useless in describing apples, but useful in illustrating an untruthful statement for the purpose of discussion.All red apples are sweet
In the above statement would you say it’s useless by the mere fact that it’s out of context or that it is untrue ? — invicta
Apples grow on trees
The above has informative value in any given context as it informs the uninformed that apples grow on trees. — invicta
Is this apple sweet?", utter nonsense in the context of celestial navigation and meaningless noise to speaker of Mandarin. — Vera Mont
In the context of a farmer wanting to grow bitter apples to make Cider then useful, correct? — invicta
In conclusion determining if an Apple is sweet or bitter enables the farmer to go to the stars — invicta
No, it doesn't, and the fact that they grow on trees has no effect on their flavour.
And putting a response in the context of the wrong question makes no point. — Vera Mont
It doesn't actually tell us that red apples are sweet; we would need to test the two types of apples. That's the point I'm making. — ToothyMaw
You are missing the point. Your failure in seeing the relevance of a celestial star map to the cider brewer is about connecting the dots from revenue generation via brewing cider to their ambition to go to space. — invicta
But as a general principle and the point of this thread is that decontextualising some statements can alter its truth value from true, too uncertain to completely untrue — invicta
Isn’t that the same thing as untrue, uncertain etc…I think you’re just using different words … — invicta
Again this is incoherent — invicta
Hence it is sentences that are "context driven"; not truth. — Banno
C: Truth is not context-dependent. — Vera Mont
Supposing then the farmer utters this sentence in the middle of summer.
Today is a hot day.
The thermometer would agree reading 40Celsius. — invicta
And as the truthfulness of such a statement depends on mutual agreement between two or more subjects then it’s no longer subjective (context dependent) but objective (context independent) — invicta
Would you then say that truth is relative in this given scenario.
The temperature is high right now
(at 40Celsius)
Or would such a statement have no relevance to truth relatively or absolutely? — invicta
And as the truthfulness of such a statement depends on mutual agreement between two or more subjects then it’s no longer subjective (context dependent) but objective (context independent) for certain statements only which are subject to change such as current heat level. — invicta
"Truth" is an entirely man-made concept, in reality, "truth" doesn't exist, things simply are, I suppose. There aren't necessarily any agreed-upon rules for this, just a test that an individual or group made up. Whether that actually makes this subjective or not, is the thing that's context-dependent, I'd say. — Judaka
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