• Corvus
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    Kant was already dead, when both were active in the univ. lecturing. Hegel's class was full with the students, while Schopenhauer class had 3 - 4. Schopen wasn't pleased.
    Schopen's philosophy was largely based on Kant's system, hence he couldn't have had been overly and unfairly critical to Kant.
  • Mww
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    he couldn't have had been overly and unfairly critical to Kant.Corvus

    I dunno, man. He spent 184 pages rippin’ Kant a new one. Right after page one, where he says Kant’s the greatest philosopher ever ….until he came along to show how he could have been even better.
  • Gregory
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    God for Hegel I believe is reason personified, but it is always a personification. My grasp of Hegels philosophy of religion is not that great though, but he sees in the elaboration of God a similar process of development as he sees in reasonTobias

    "Logic is his [mans'] natural element, indeed his own peculiar nature. If nature as such, as the physical world, is contrasted with the spiritual sphere, then logic must certainly be said to be the supernatural element which permeates every relationship of man to nature, his sensation, intuition, desire, need, instinct, and simply by doing so transforms it into something human".
    Preface to the second edizione, Science of Logic
  • Gregory
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    Although unfair to Hegel, this too has good information and might be more agreeable than the previous link

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tNP5O3GXKdo&pp=ygUUV2VpZ2llc3QgaGF0ZWQgaGVnZWw%3D
  • Corvus
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    This is interesting:Gregory
    Indeed. :grin:

    Even Kant was branded as an idiot by Nietzsche.
  • Corvus
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    My idea on Will is in line with both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche's. I am still trying to find out on Hegel's idea on will.

  • Gregory
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    I am still trying to find out on Hegel's idea onCorvus

    Think of how Spinoza held that the world was God's thought and that this God had no free will. Then think of how for Hegel the world is Spirit enfolding into it own's complete freedom.

    Hegel believed in fate and free will, compatabilism
  • Gregory
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    Spirit pushes itself from potential to actual because the way was always open for it to
  • Corvus
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    Reasoning is going on, but what reasoning is is itself a manifestation of spirit, the flow of the idea.Tobias

    I was thinking about what reasoning could be. There is no such things as reason, but reasonable acts, rational decisions and thoughts about the world, objects and movements.

    Spirit sounds like the mind of the ghosts, i.e. the dead. Reasoning is the mind of the living. The fact that Hegel wrote about spirit sounds like he must have had believed in the life after death.
  • Corvus
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    That we do not know something does not mean that we cannot know it. for Hegel we can know it as there cannot be anything apart from knowledge.Tobias

    In Kant, our knowledge is limited to what we can experience. Beyond that is the world of unknown. Some say that it is Kant giving room for faith alongside knowledge. Does Hegel go beyond the limit? How and what sort of knowledge is possible on the world of unknown in Hegel?
  • Tobias
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    In Kant, our knowledge is limited to what we can experience. Beyond that is the world of unknown. Some say that it is Kant giving room for faith alongside knowledge. Does Hegel go beyond the limit? How and what sort of knowledge is possible on the world of unknown in Hegel?Corvus

    Yes, Hegel goes beyond those limits. Somewhere, I believe in the Pheno, but perhaps in the Logik, he writes something along the lines of 'if you pull the curtains away, the room where the thing in itself is supposed to be, is empty'. The thing in itself is constructed by Kant, as a product of his dualistic thinking. There is no 'thing in itself'. 'A world of the unknown' is contradictory because how can we know of such a 'world' and in what way would something posited as absolutely unknown, constitute a world? He leaves no room for that which cannot be understood, which actually led to large criticisms of Hegel because it gives his philosophy a rather 'absolute' character. After Hegel came Nietzsche's abyss, Heidegger and the post modern emphasis on the 'finite'. Or think of someone like Vico who held that there is always something that escapes determination. I wonder how strong these criticisms are though. I think Hegel also allows for something that necessarily escapes, but not for a 'world of the unknown'. The knowledge that is possible for Hegel is knowledge of knowledge. We learn how we know, how we think and that is all there is to know. Knowledge is self knowledge.
  • Tobias
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    Spirit sounds like the mind of the ghosts, i.e. the dead. Reasoning is the mind of the living. The fact that Hegel wrote about spirit sounds like he must have had believed in the life after death.Corvus

    No, not at all. He uses spirit in a similar way like he could use a concept like 'substance'. However with 'spirit' he indicates that substance is not dead matter, but living, as in a 'spirited individual'. Don't let yourself be bewitched by some modern connotations of a word or connotations a word has in contemporary engllsh but might not have in 18th century German.
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