Well, THAT is maddeningly insulting. My expertise is present in many and varied fields.It seems though that I am not alone in this belief, that we cannot know things.
— Chet Hawkins
You are not alone, but you are apparently in the unfortunate situation of never having developed expertise of much significance. — wonderer1
But they do not. They believe things and can demonstrate reasonable success with this belief. Therefore and of course I can and do often believe them. So your point is not lost on me. By mine is lost apparently on you, and indeed, still a point. Significance being what it is, perhaps I erred in addressing yet another who refuses to see.For me, knowing things plays a huge role in paying the bills. Knowing that other people know things is immensely helpful as well. — wonderer1
Incorrect. If you know, you know all the way. There can be no reason to seek more. That is what 'knowing' should mean as it partakes too heavily of perfection, is my point. And ANY perfect virtue requires all virtues to be perfect, which is the nature of wisdom itself, again MY point.After all if you presume to know you would stop trying to know.
— Chet Hawkins
Well, I'm living proof that you are wrong about that. Trying to know reveals that there is so much more that might be known, than one could possibly get around to. All the more reason to keep learning. — wonderer1
Learning from others is precisely my thing. But I would also suggest that you are me and I am you, finally, if truth is KNOWN. So, there are no others, only other parts of me.But I'm guessing learning from others really isn't your thing. — wonderer1
And facts are only a subset of beliefs. They are exalted in no way beyond that. I would offer indeed by way of concession that even what I deem a 'fact' is what I consider to be 'an acceptably probable belief', but in doing so, I realize there is always a small chance of failure, of not KNOWING, because knowing is impossible.If you throw doubt upon my assertion, I am rather allowed to throw doubt on yours. What are we left with? Belief only. That is the point, MY point.
— Chet Hawkins
I understand that all you have is beliefs. (Or at least you are into thinking so.) — wonderer1
And you say trite small things like all Pragmatists that reek of fear and the trap of KNOWING. This Vulcan stagnation is petty and cold. It has no fire. And life includes passion and passion is worthy, a part of wisdom.Me? I'm left with all sorts of evidence. Not to mention internet access to a society where a lot of people have looked into things that I haven't looked at the evidence for, and therefore know things that I don't. — wonderer1
Your claims that "you think therefore you exist", deduces "If you don't think then you don't exist." — Corvus
arguing validly from a hypothetical proposition of the form If p then q that, because q is false, therefore p is false
Are you prepared to listen to find out why? — flannel jesus
You don't think, therefore you don't exist? — Corvus
You can choose bravery at any moment. — flannel jesus
All for the low low price of admitting to having been a doofus. — wonderer1
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