I mentioned merely the fact that Christianity has a clear position on sex before marriage. There may be Christians who practice it for example, and still call themselves Christian, but they can't argue that fornication is morally permissible in Christianity. What they'll most likely say is that they fall into temptation because they are sinful, etc. etc.The ones wherein you mention sex and unity of beliefs in regards to Christianity and Stoicism. — anonymous66
The way everyone defines it. Fornication = sex before marriage.How are you defining "fornication"? — anonymous66
Clear textual evidence? Leviticus, 1 Corinthians, Galatians?And what makes you think the Bible has a clear position on sex before marriage? — anonymous66
My statements were merely about whether there are clear rules in place. I said one advantage of Christianity is that there are clear rules, unlike in Stoicism, where this is up for interpretation, as many modern Stoics deny it. Do you disagree about that?Or is it merely a matter of whether or not there are rules in place? — anonymous66
Then aren't there some things you ought to be saying to your fellow Christians?Of course what people are actually doing is more important, but I wasn't talking about that.
How I am not applying the same standard?Again... are you applying the same standard (the rules are up for interpretation) to your belief system (in this case Christianity)? — anonymous66
Yes, I should tell them to respect the moral rules laid out in the Bible.Then aren't there some things you ought to be saying to your fellow Christians? — anonymous66
How I am not applying the same standard? — Agustino
Yes, of course. But not so much when it comes to moral behaviour. Things are up to interpretation in the sense of the role the Trinity plays, what a certain parable means, what is required for salvation, etc. Those kind of more abstract questions.Are there issues in Christianity that are open to interpretation? — anonymous66
Are attitudes about sexual orientation concerned with moral behavior? What about attitudes towards how to deal with strangers (I'm thinking about immigration)? [I'm in the US].Yes, of course. But not so much when it comes to moral behaviour. — Agustino
Sorry, but what exactly do you mean? What are you referring to by "attitudes about sexual orientation"?Are attitudes about sexual orientation concerned with moral behavior? — anonymous66
Sexual orientations?! As in regarding being gay, lesbian, and stuff like that? Most are, but some obviously aren't.Are Christians in agreement about what the Bible says about sexual orientation? — anonymous66
No, obviously there isn't complete union. But Christianity does have a structure which helps in achieving unity. For example, finding sexually immoral people (those who engage in fornication, etc.) is rarer amongst Catholics than amongst atheists. No human structure is perfect, so of course there will never be a perfect result.Is there unity among Christians or isn't there? — anonymous66
Let's see Terrapin. Would you be promiscuous and claim to be a Christian believer? Probably not. Why? Because most people would not engage repeatedly (maybe they would once or twice) in activities that are completely contrary to their fundamental beliefs (why? well who the hell wants to think of themselves as dishonest, lying snitches?). So people who are promiscuous would naturally gravitate towards cultures and beliefs systems which permit this. Just like you in fact — Agustino
Mate of course there's even a lot of religious people who do that, because we live in a culture which promotes and encourages promiscuity as the cool thing. What I'm saying is that LESS religious people than non-religious are going to be promiscuous.Most of the females I've been promiscuous with were religious. Most people in general are still religious. A couple of the wildest females I've known seemed to be the most religious--one was a minister's daughter, one was at church more days of the week than not, etc. — Terrapin Station
What I'm saying is that LESS religious people than non-religious are going to be promiscuous. — Agustino
If you had to make a bet, would you bet against my conclusion or for it, and why?Right, but one thing you appealed to was anecdotal evidence. That doesn't suggest your conclusion here.
So what else do you got? — Terrapin Station
If you had to make a bet, would you bet against my conclusion or for it, and why? — Agustino
And how do they rebel against it mate? By doing away with their religion generally - if not in name, then in deeds. What I'm telling is sensible.Yes. I'd bet against your conclusion. Because religious views in this regard promote a repression that people seem to rebel against. — Terrapin Station
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