Well, yes... that was kinda the point. The grass will be green in the case in which being green is satisfied by grass. It's a conditional, and hence "grass is green" is not asserted.The command doesn't contain a proposition. — frank
I don't see how commands have anything to do with truth. — frank
Just to be sure, the reason I introduced talk of illocutionary force into the discussion was to give @J and others something by way of context against which they might develop whatever notion of force they see in Kimhi. I said explicitly that I would "go over my own understanding of the Fregean account and subsequent developments"....the muddle between force in thread and illocutionary forces... — fdrake
Assertion does NOT equal denotation.. "The cat" is a reference to something "in the world". — schopenhauer1
Extensionality. I understand that Frege spoke of the "course-of-values" for a variable - the list of values it might take. Tarski added the definition of truth as part of a metalanguage.Tarski? — schopenhauer1
Folk hereabouts seem to want a third "force", such that it is not a full illocutionary assertion yet more than a denotation. What I've been pressing is for them to set out explicitly what that might be. In my view no clear account has been given. — Banno
If "assertoric force" is proposed to be understood as not an illocutionary force ranging over the subsequent expression, then it is up to the proposer to set out what it is that the force does that is different to the illocutionary force of asserting.
I'm not seeing that here. — Banno
If "assertoric force" is proposed to be understood as not an illocutionary force ranging over the subsequent expression, then it is up to the proposer to set out what it is that the force does that is different to the illocutionary force of asserting. — Banno
The mooted primacy of assertion over other locutions? I don't see any reason to think of assertions as more central or foundational than commands or questions. The do very different things. Assertions only "convey some sort of corresponding relationship to a state of affairs in the world" when felicitous - Austin's term of art - but then questions and commands can also be infelicitous, commanding someone to do the impossible, or asking a ridiculous question. — Banno
I might try again once I've read more of the book. — fdrake
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