Why though? — fdrake
Why does the study of being qua motion (physics) implicate the study of being qua being (metaphysics)? Because motion is a kind of being. — Leontiskos
The two latter studies are co-implicative with the former. — Leontiskos
The analogy of course limps given the sui generis character of being. — Leontiskos
A ) If X is a subdomain of Y, then studying Y is studying X. — fdrake
it leaves unexamined how context would need to distribute over the nesting of contexts — fdrake
And I would say that these cases like the neo-Freudian rely on philosophical thinking to debunk philosophical discourse, and therefore result in a kind of performative contradiction. — Leontiskos
I'm not opposed to that, but what I said was the opposite. — Leontiskos
And I would say that these cases like the neo-Freudian rely on philosophical thinking to debunk philosophical discourse, and therefore result in a kind of performative contradiction.
— Leontiskos
Yes, though many an honest scientist is probably unaware of doing this until it's pointed out. — J
the "right" answer to Q . . . — fdrake
I have bolded "would" there since it seems modal. But in my view it's the wrong modality for the question - I think the dialogue must go differently than I suggested in order for it not to count as an counter example. So we'd be left requiring an account of why the flippant repetition cannot count as an answer. It strikes me that it could count as one, even if it is a bad one. — fdrake
(...) true teaching is based on an authority which legitimizes itself by the exemplary life and charismatic quality of its exponents.
— Wayfarer
I have to ask, is this what you yourself believe? — goremand
Scientific theories can and do in fact put into question presuppositions passed down through the history of philosophy. — Joshs
Scientific theories can and do in fact put into question presuppositions passed down through the history of philosophy.
— Joshs
They do, and the issue here is the nature of how they "put into question" those presuppositions. Is it possible to do this without invoking further philosophy -- as opposed to some allegedly pure scientific approach? That's what I'm doubting (and I bet you'd agree), though as I say, I don't think most scientists are engaged in some nefarious conspiracy to demolish philosophy with bad arguments. They're just doing their thing, and rarely get the chance to reflect on their presuppositions. — J
Isn't there a relationship between not entertaining presuppositions, and the epochē of ancient skepticism, revived by Husserl? Recall that ancient and Pyrrhonian skepticism differed from modern skepticism by simply 'withholding assent from that which is not evident' and strictly attending to the quality of phenomena as they appear. — Wayfarer
I’m not denying that. I would say that there is no such thing as a presuppositionless philosophy. If philosophy begins with questioning, it is also the case that to question is to already have in mind the matter about which one is inquiring. What opens up the space within which the matter appears as intelligible is prior to philosophy, and in relation to which philosophy has no more claim than do literature, poetry, music or science.In any case, I stand by the initial point - that the absence of presuppositions is what was intended by epochē, both in Husserl and in the original skeptics. — Wayfarer
Philosophy could be called highest because it is without presuppositions. But could it be called highest for a more substantive reason? — Leontiskos
I recognise that it is something often exploited by the unscrupulous to exploit the gullible — Wayfarer
It's yet another field where we the plebs must defer to the experts, like we already do with scientists, doctors, lawyers etc. — goremand
I think what we’re talking about here isn’t a dichotomy between something called science and something called philosophy , but a spectrum of explication. — Joshs
It's yet another field where we the plebs must defer to the experts, like we already do with scientists, doctors, lawyers etc. — goremand
I would say that there is no such thing as a presuppositionless philosophy. If philosophy begins with questioning, it is also the case that to question is to already have in mind the matter about which one is inquiring. — Joshs
Emptiness is a mode of perception, a way of looking at experience. It adds nothing to and takes nothing away from the raw data of physical and mental events. You look at events in the mind and the senses with no thought of whether there's anything lying behind them.
This mode is called emptiness because it's empty of the presuppositions we usually add to experience to make sense of it: the stories and world-views we fashion to explain who we are and the world we live in.
the observation that this discourse appears to allow endless recursion? — J
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