Simply consider the possibility of us being irrational. If there is a possibility of that, we were not purposefully directed. If there isn’t, we were purposefully directed towards rationality. — PartialFanatic
humans are often irrational, and not as a matter of choice — wonderer1
This sounds a lot like Plantinga's (flawed) evolutionary argument against atheism.The simple statement goes like: "I ask scientists how they are able to trust their theories without a belief in a purpose-driven evolution." — PartialFanatic
Purposeful evolution may have only been directed toward faith in God. Rationality can be an obstacle to that.If we are rational because we were purposefully directed, then we simply could not have had the capacity to be irrational. — PartialFanatic
There is a great disagreement between the naturalist(-materialist)-atheists and theists about free will. The naturalist would go to lengths to argue for the evolutionary chain and deny free-will as life is caused deterministically. The materialist would deny any immaterial consciousness and lead again to the denial of free-will, in support of determinism. — PartialFanatic
We have a chain of evolutions directed towards a purpose. A single purpose because of which we are rational. Without this purposeful directing of our reason, we would not have a reasonable mind. — PartialFanatic
Put simply: free-will is only real if we have both the option to be rational and to be irrational. If we are rational because we were purposefully directed, then we simply could not have had the capacity to be irrational. Following this, one may concede to the argument that we do in fact have the capacity to be irrational despite being directed towards rationality. — PartialFanatic
If we are rational, we must know the clear distinction between right and wrong. — PartialFanatic
Plantinga's (flawed) evolutionary argument against atheism. — Relativist
I don't see evolution as having a purpose or goal. — T Clark
Most human activity is neither rational nor irrational, it's non-rational. — T Clark
I don't think this is true. There are fully rational people who think abortion is acceptable and other fully rational people who disagree. — T Clark
That doesn't mean we have faculties of reason that are directed towards truth, just that these faculties don't always work towards their proper ends. — Bodhy
Let us examine this more closely: In the case of a divine moral law above the human law which is considered objective, if we are conscious and rational so we can make both good and evil choices and at the same time trust our rationality, then we should never mix the two at all. Conclusively, anyone who appeals to the divine law must commit deeds knowing they are good or evil as one is conscious (having the freedom to choose good and evil deeds) and rational (having clear rational distinction between good and evil). If one commits an evil deed but calls it good, then clearly their rationality is clouded and they do not have access to this divine law. One may point out us as imperfect creatures with free-will, and as such not having access to the divine law as we may fall into temptation or sin. There may be an introduction of an ambiguous aspect. Perhaps, there is a divine purpose but it has not been realized completely: but would we really be rational then? — PartialFanatic
Oh okay. I mean, you have a fundamental disagreement with the premise of the article. I did not author that premise, and it is what I am using to refute a sub-argument of it. — PartialFanatic
that is per the defining characteristic of the premise: having trust in our rationality. — PartialFanatic
We trust our rationality because it works, not always but often. — T Clark
I would be glad if you could direct any other critiques towards the post, and not independent of it. — PartialFanatic
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