• Moliere
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    An Exploration Between the Balance Between State and Individual Interests
    By: @i like sushi

    Liberty can be broadly divided into two traditions: the freedom of the individual to govern themselves, as advocated by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and the freedom of the individual under state protection, as expressed by Thomas Hobbes. Analyzing the views of Isaiah Berlin and Karl Popper reveals their opposition to these positions. Popper critiques the Utopian engineering of both Hobbes and Rousseau (Popper, 1962), while Berlin proposes a solution based on oppositional balance rather than favoring one tradition over the other, promoting pluralism over monism. Berlin views societal problems as having multiple, conflicting solutions rather than singular, absolute answers. Consequently, the best form of liberty is context-dependent, shaped by the prevailing social order, making it difficult to determine a universally optimal state to strive for. Instead, the focus should be on the adaptability of a state and the level of liberty its citizens can handle. Generally, individual liberty is deemed more valuable than state authority. Schiller’s ideas on aesthetics, combined with Habermas’s emphasis on communication, provide a framework for a pluralistic, flexible, and aesthetically driven democratic space for rational public discourse on social and political issues. This approach can help mitigate extreme political shifts by fostering unity and fluidity through beauty, a universal and neutral medium, rather than through ideological mandates based on rigid institutional structures.

    Popper coined the terms closed society, describing a form of human society where authority and social order were viewed as rigid and rooted in tradition, and open society, emphasizing the importance of rational thought, individualism, and self-determination in shaping social order (Popper, 1962). Berlin coined the terms negative liberty, which concerns the extent to which others, particularly the state, can interfere with or obstruct individual freedoms, and positive liberty, which involves the question of who or what governs or enables individual freedom (Berlin, 2002, p. 169). These two distinctions can be observed within the ideas of Rousseau and Hobbes.

    For Rousseau, while it may not be entirely accurate to claim he is looking for a return to the wild, his concept of civil liberty is meant as a replacement for natural liberty. This civil liberty is envisaged as a unity spouting from the natural state of remote peoples coming together under a general will. In light of the concepts of closed society and positive liberty there is alignment with Rousseau’s position regarding the general will adjacent to Berlin’s positive liberty and a clear wish to return to humanity’s natural state conveyed as closed society re-imagined through the idea of self-governance. In Hobbes, there is commonality when it comes to taking on the form of a closed society yet the direction of Hobbes in comparison to Rousseau is antipodal, moving toward negative liberty instead of positive liberty; being more favourable to individual protection from outside forces rather than having all members of society forced to collectively adhere to a universal law.

    Rousseau’s vision is of a self-governed collective focused on the common good of all as opposed to individual and private interests. The arguments for such collectivism are that private property over collective state control can be seen as open to greed and therefore economic tyranny. For this reason the principles behind the ideas of collectivism can appear attractive. The greatest strength of humans is how they can achieve more collectively than individually. The idea of the social contract gives freedoms to people by way of opening up opportunities that would be impossible among a free-wheeling group of individuals seeking opposing personal aims. The division of labour has given many the advantage of leisure in which to pursue their own personal interests rather than having to contend with nature in a perpetual cycle of survival. Although the social contract is not a legally binding one it exposes something about human communication and interaction - that is we are able and willing to negotiate and reconcile differences if the overall outcome is better for us than our starting position. In contrast Hobbes’ scheme was far more dictatorial in its flavour. His idea was one where an elite ruling body shaped the state in exchange for its protection. In today’s world this sounds more like a racketeering project than a form of liberal government, yet in this era of social, political and religious upheaval the opportunity for stability was far rarer than today. It is in light of the historical context Berlin, being a proponent for negative liberty due to its inclination towards pluralism, in his words, “Pluralism, with a measure of ‘negative’ liberty that it entails, seems to me a truer and more humane ideal than … the ideal of ‘positive’ self-mastery by classes or peoples, or the whole of mankind.” (Berlin, 2002, p. 216), could be said to favour a Hobbesian model over Rousseau’s, but it could also be argued that he would be sympathetic to both views as reflections of the times they lived in.

    Popper is opposed to both Rousseau and Hobbes as they avoid the formation of an open society by reverting to essentialist views that shift away from human rationality towards historicist schemes adding feelings of inevitability which are more or less what Popper would frame as forms of Utopian engineering (Popper, 1962, p. 161). That said, Rousseau and Hobbes are diametrically opposed in how they envisage their utopian social orders, with the former favouring a collective general will while the latter sought to implement absolute sovereign rule under which a larger degree of individual agency would be feasible, so although Popper opposes Hobbes’ model it leans more toward open society than Rousseau’s ideology which seeks to subordinate individual freedom under some presupposed natural condition framed as a collective general will.

    Friedrich Schiller’s aesthetic views map onto the models of Rousseau and Hobbes. Describing the state of humans prior to individuation he states that they either “devour things greedily” or “bats them away” (Schiller, 2016, p. 90), they are in servitude to the formal and material impulses (Schiller, 2016, p. 91); and then echoes Hobbes stating humanity was ruled by “trouble and fear” (Schiller, 2016, p. 92). Unlike Hobbes, Schiller believes in countering fear with beauty rather than dominating paternalistic rule over humanity’s failings. In contrast, Schiller outlines a stark critique of Rousseau’s optimistic portrayal of humanity returning to a state of nature through collectivism, “the rule of conformity becomes tyranny against the individual … extinguishing … the final flickers of autonomy and individuality” (Schiller, 2016, p. 25). He then goes on to highlight what is likely the biggest mistake of liberal thought, that people beckon freedom irrespective of the burden of responsibility, “fearful of liberty, … one will either submit to an easy servitude or, brought to despair by pedantic tutelage, escape to a state of nature lacking all constraint” (Schiller, 2016, p. 25).

    Friedrich Schiller offers a remedy to the conflicting opinions of Hobbes and Rousseau in regards to human nature through his concept of true freedom being obtained via the playful impulse. Hobbes’ view can be said to embody Schiller’s material impulse whereas Rousseau’s favours the formal impulse (Schiller, 2016). Both concepts of liberty outlined by them follow the scheme of historicism and the belief in some essentialist given that grounds their views.

    When it comes to creating a blueprint for the ideal societal liberty, the differences in such schemes lie in how far they lean toward individual liberty or collective liberty. Many utopian ideals are presented and all of them are left wanting either in the justification of their aims, the responsibility given or taken, or in viewing some form of enforced equality. As Popper remarks, this predicament has been with us since the birth of civilization in our move away from the state of nature—closed society—toward the state of reason—open society (Popper, 1962).

    All forms of liberty have orbited this fissure since in political life. Many forms of liberty have been proposed, yet any real attempts of implementing them result in tyranny through some utopian dream via “canvas cleaning” (Plato, 1987) or the ossification of institutions that were put in place to usher in the proposed utopia. Both Auguste Comte and Karl Marx envisaged an ‘epochal’ historicism that dictates and guides social evolution. The inevitability with which they professed their ideas is strongly indicative of what Popper pointed out as a form of political prophesying (Popper, 1962). Such ideological inclinations give followers the satisfaction of absconding from responsibility and acting with unabashed authoritarian rule in the belief that their view is unremitting and unbreakable. This is the stark warning Popper gives us in his analysis of Utopian engineering (Popper, 1962, p. 167).

    No matter how grandiose a vision for the future may be, it is essentially useless, if not dangerous, to pursue such a vision with active intent. The attraction of utopian engineering is in its image of a perfect world, yet the picture painted is full of unobtainable goals. The danger then becomes the fanaticism of those enamored by such ideas striving eternally at all costs over the bodies of others. Even a piecemeal engineering approach through to some utopian ideal offers up hazards due to the impossibility of judging the size of incremental steps towards an infinitely distant dreamland. Schiller correctly points out in his analogy of a watch, “When a craftsman repairs a time-piece he can still its wheels; but the living clockwork of the state has to be repaired ... while still in motion” (Schiller, 2016, pp. 8–9). Popper’s solution here was to focus piecemeal engineering on institutions rather than whole political schemes (Popper, 1962, p. 167), but this too seems flawed if such steps are taken with the monolith of utopia looming in the background. Berlin’s contention appears more compelling due to its sceptical nature, emphasizing how rational solutions to differing societal problems can conflict.

    For instance, the contemporary pedagogical idea of safe spaces to protect students from harmful topics contrasts with the idea of exposing students to difficult and contentious ideas. From a rational perspective, both views have merit, but one does not win out over the other. The current societal colossus, as an edifice of human construction, has taken on a disembodied authority of its own. Where once the city-state was the tool of the members of society, it has grown in strength and depth, taking on certain anthropomorphic attributes from its first conception up to the present age. Often the state has acted as a makeshift remedy for the displacement of humanity from nature, but it acts as a poor substitute—never able to fulfill its utopian promise—and, inversely, attempts to revert to some natural state have also been futile in the brutal light of reason. Here Schiller offers, “Taste alone introduces harmony into society, because it fosters harmony in the individual” (Schiller, 2016, p. 110).

    Marx rails against aestheticism, framing it as a form of bourgeois fetishism, which is rather contradictory as he also complains about the commodification of art. While Marxism seems inherently flawed, there is certainly weight to numerous problems pointed out by Marx. The commodification of works of art shows how the material impulse can subdue the playful impulse—what Marx calls fetishism. Schiller divulges the potential of the playful impulse: “… man is elevated to a unity of quantity … into a unity of ideas that comprehend the entire realm of phenomena. With this … we are no longer in time … in a never-ending succession … the judgement of all minds is expressed by our own” (Schiller, 2016, p. 57), emphasizing that art is not a mere bourgeois luxury but integral to humanity. The individual, without moral or political concerns, neither focuses on the material nor the formal impulses, emphasizing “… he is only a complete man when he plays” (Schiller, 2016, p. 57).

    Much like Comte, Schiller saw clearly the problem of overextending reason at the expense of the emotive aspects of human life. A further comment on the overextension of rationalism comes through Byung-Chul Han, where he outlines the seeming progression of modern life— inundated with wave after wave of information—reverting humanity to a more animal nature in a concrete jungle: “The society of laboring and achievement is not a free society” (Han, 2017, p. 19), echoing Schiller’s point: “He senses only the fetters that reason lays upon him, and not the unending liberation that it gives him” (Schiller, 2016, p. 93). Han also suggests that a human state of rest comes in opposition to utility and achievement: “… the day of in-order-to is not sacred, but rather the day of not-to … The interval is a time without work, a time of, and for, play …” (Han, 2017, p. 34), as Schiller talks of “tranquility in fatigue” in the “raw state of nature” (Schiller, 2016, p. 90).

    While Berlin, Popper, and Habermas have ideas about social and individual freedoms, it seems Schiller is the one who manages to span both rational and moral thought while revealing that liberty lies beyond them in the playful impulse of aesthetic sensibility. “The political legislator … cannot falsify art” (Schiller, 2016, p. 29). Schiller does not look to construct institutions but rather to create associations whereby the playful impulse can guide the restructuring and construction of public institutions passively, rather than actively with Habermas’s critical debate in the public sphere. What Schiller lends to Habermas’s idea here is a means to loosen up rational discourse and prevent ossification within the abstracted realm of the public sphere through the introduction of the playful impulse. There is even room to argue that the playful impulse preceded freedom of expression through the conduit of aesthetic critique in the salons and coffee houses, even though Habermas viewed the art critique as “a kind of shadowy public sphere” (Eagleton, 2004).

    Emphasis on the individual, then, using this to form associations rather than institutions or doctrines, provides society with a means to bridge the gap between the material and formal representations of the world. Building on this idea, Oscar Wilde says: “It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors.” … “The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless” (Wilde, 2001, Preface). There is clearly no derision for art here. Taste compels reason to dictate the value of art, yet it cannot, and so combines with moral attitudes to declare some work of art as ‘good’ or ‘bad’ rather than as true or false. This shows the inclination of propaganda as it appeals to feelings. This is all a deceit, though, as art is neither good nor bad, and taste is neither good nor bad. These declarations are merely the material and formal impulses wrestling with a realm they cannot influence. Taste is refined and shaped by experience but it is outside the judgment of reason and morals when it comes to beauty. Beauty has naught to say about morality nor rationality. What is beautiful is beautiful. All the moralising and reasoning in the world cannot change the impression of beauty on the individual taste. We cannot fool ourselves about beauty. Where beauty appears in our lives, we acknowledge it without the necessity of moral or rational judgment.

    In conclusion, any idealisation of liberty expressed within a state lies exposed to the slippery slope of utopian engineering. Therefore, true individual liberty, through Schiller’s aesthetic sensibility, provides a mediating association that can inculcate necessary changes to institutions and prevent them from stagnating by facilitating a means of universal discourse between a plurality of ideas expressed within the public sphere.


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    Han, B.-C., 2017. The Burnout Society. Stanford: Stanford University Press.

    Habermas, J., 1991. The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere: An Inquiry into a Category of Bourgeois Society. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

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  • Count Timothy von Icarus
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    Really great. I'll have a lot to say later.

    First and foremost,

    In conclusion, any idealisation of liberty expressed within a state lies exposed to the slippery slope of utopian engineering. Therefore, true individual liberty, through Schiller’s aesthetic sensibility, provides a mediating association that can inculcate necessary changes to institutions and prevent them from stagnating by facilitating a means of universal discourse between a plurality of ideas expressed within the public sphere.

    ...I think this makes a lot of sense given your sources. I do wonder if we might not now be facing the opposite risk though (although one Schiller might still help with), a sort of "fear of the utopian and principled," a "lack of faith in logos (the life of reason)" paired with an outright fear of thymos (the life of spirit/honor/excellence). It seems that everywhere these days one can hear the call to "pragmatism" and suspicion about "narratives" and "values." Here, I think the aesthetic also can help to carry us out of a sort of politicized form of what Hegel called "the fear of error become fear of truth." Indeed, maybe precisely by mediating the allure of the totalizing and utopian, we can recover what late-modernity has tended to cast off.

    The aesthetic also helps sharpen to tools of "universal discourse," such that they do not decay into irrelevant abstraction.

    ---

    More broadly, this is actually on a topic similar to the one I meant to write about, primarily using Virgil's Aeneid, but didn't have time to finish. The initial idea I had there is that the "meaning of life" (and thus society) laid out in the vision of the thymotic "honor/virtue (arete, or "excellence") societies" in the Iliad (and Beowulf) already display a sort of hollowness in these texts themselves. Thymos degenerates into cannibalistic appetite at the limit and everyone loses in the long run. For example, in Book XI of the Odyssey, the now dead Achilles tells Odysseus: "“Better, I say, to break sod as a farm hand for some poor country man, on iron rations, than to lord it over all the exhausted dead." All glory dies out in death.

    Virgil has a much more political view he wants to put forth. Aeneas represents thymos (spirtedness and honor) in service to logos (to principles, e.g. mercy, justice, in a word, pietas). But on this point:

    Many utopian ideals are presented and all of them are left wanting either in the justification of their aims, the responsibility given or taken, or in viewing some form of enforced equality. As Popper remarks, this predicament has been with us since the birth of civilization in our move away from the state of nature—closed society—toward the state of reason—open society (Popper, 1962).

    ...Virgil agrees in some ways. The utopian view is dangerous because it is never fully realized. Notably, after Aeneas gets his commission to found a civilization of virtue from his father in the land of dead, he ascends back to the land of the living through the Ivory Gate (as opposed to the Horn Gate), the gate through which lying, deceptive dreams go out into the world. And of course, the story ends not with "mercy and justice for the vanquished," but with Aeneas committing the vengeful murder of a surrendered foe. An epic about perpetual unity (in Book I: the "Gates of War" are locked and Frenzy bound in "a hundred brazen shackles") ends instead with:

    His limbs went limp in the chill of death.
    His life breath fled with a groan of outrage
    down to the shades below


    But I don't think Virgil's point is about a hollowness in logos, but rather the fact that it is never fully realized. That is precisely why we need pietas. We do not reach some abstract end, some political equilibrium point, at which point thymos and pietas become irrelevant. All beings struggle to fulfill their form. Natural, changing beings (man and his civilizations) only are what they are in virtue of this struggle of matter to fulfill form. Spenser realizes this in the Mutabilitie cantos of his epic, the Faerie Queene. Nature (change) is not an imperfection. On the Christian view embodied in Dante's own epic, it is only this mutability and open-endedness that allows man to transcend his own finitude and become more than what he is (a view of the relation of nature to logos embedded deep in the Patristic tradition).

    Epic poetry, of course, targets the aesthetic. Given its enduring appeal and salience, we might suppose it does this better than any other art form. They have an element of Schiller's play, and they inspire the heart, not just the head. As Plato says, the head must rule through its natural ally in the chest (a fact as true for society as for individual men).

    Today, we don't have epics. But we do have the fantasy genre. I think it's telling that modern epics must first bracket away the modern world before telling their story. The modern world, perhaps because of its fetishization of the mathematical and abstract, or perhaps because of its skepticism (enshrined in liberalism), seems to be hostile to epic, or, more importantly, to having anything properly aesthetic have the same sort of impact that epic once had on society and politics (Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen might be the closest thing we've seen in recent centuries).


    What Schiller lends to Habermas’s idea here is a means to loosen up rational discourse and prevent ossification within the abstracted realm of the public sphere through the introduction of the playful impulse.

    One risk counteracted here is the tendency to conflate the intelligible principles by which man lives and rules with the material institutions themselves. The latter only imperfectly represents the former. Commitment to ideals, logos, is not commitment to specific historical institutions or "systems." Systems and traditions are particular instantiations of logos, not logos itself (which is why the obsession with systems and the "one true system" is unhelpful). The late 19th and early 20th century saw a fanatical commitment to systems and parties as if they were the very principles themselves (Hegel's state as God walking through history). Our own era seems to have the opposite problem. Having become properly skeptical of systems, parties, etc., it has also become skeptical or principles and logos itself, as well as thymos and the aesthetic. The latter, it tries to make safely "matters of taste," keeping it quarantined from the abstract and mathematical realm of politics as technocratic science.

    Yet man is both body and spirit, and the "End of History" cannot be one in which man is happy if it is bereft of play and aesthetic virtue. The End of History cannot be some abstract end of equilibrium and satisfaction (logos in service of epithumia, sensible pleasure and safety), but rather must be the fullness of history, including the aesthetic and thymotic. If it isn't, men will be dissatisfied with it, and thus they will rebel. Such a rebellion will bring an end to the "End of History," revealing it to be a false end.

    Beauty has naught to say about morality nor rationality. What is beautiful is beautiful. All the moralising and reasoning in the world cannot change the impression of beauty on the individual taste. We cannot fool ourselves about beauty. Where beauty appears in our lives, we acknowledge it without the necessity of moral or rational judgment.

    I find myself completely disagreeing with this though. This places aesthetic reason forever at odds with practical and theoretical reason, whereas I would tend to say they are three facets of the same Logos. The problem here is that beauty becomes mere sentiment, which risks completely internalizing it, making it a matter of mere individual inclination. Yet if it is so, it cannot fulfill its role in leading and unifying men.

    If the bolded were true, education would be a dreary business indeed. This is the contemporary liberal view of education as largely serving the function of empowering the individual to be able to fulfill whatever inborn, unchangable (and so immune to cultivation) irrational sentiments they just so happen to have, so that they can best pursue their satisfaction (avoiding friction with others perhaps, but only if this is in line with satisfaction).

    Certainty, there is particularity in tastes. But tastes are also taught. A view that internalizes the aesthetic doesn't thereby stop "teaching taste," it just tends to educate tastes poorly.

    My pitch would be: Beauty relates to the whole. Intelligible beauty is higher than sensible beauty. Beauty is that which "pleases when known." No doubt, completely clear ponds high up in the Adirondacks are quite beautiful. Who could deny it? But when one comes to know their role in the whole, and one comes to know that these are, in fact, sick ponds, ulcers on the eco-system, only "crystal clear" because acid rain has denuded them of life, they become less beautiful. That is the nature of beauty.

    Or as Plato says:

    And the true order of going, or being led by another, to the things of love, is to begin from the beauties of earth and mount upwards for the sake of that other beauty, using these as steps only, and from one going on to two, and from two to all fair forms, and from fair forms to fair practices, and from fair practices to fair notions, until from fair notions he arrives at the notion of absolute beauty, and at last knows what the essence of beauty is.

    But I still think Schiller gets something very right about the unity of the aesthetic and moral. Aeneas embodies pietas not because he is conditioned to like a machine, but because it wells up from the fullness of his being. This is what makes him heroic. All the great heros has an element of play in their heroism, even if it sometimes is what makes them tragic (e.g. Beowulf taking on the dragon at age seventy).

    Actually, I think the play drive as mediator of the sense and form shares a lot in common with earlier investigations of Beauty as a transcendental, which tended to see it as the going out in appearance of Goodness and Truth.
  • Baden
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    This really resonates with my recent readings (Schiller on aesthetics, Byung-Chul Han on technocapitalism, and John Gray on Utopian engineering), and it represents just the type of thinking we need now with the gap between ideological "freedom" and actual freedom becoming ever wider. As an aside, I think Italian theorist Franco Berardi with his idea of poesis and rhythm as paths of resistance forms a useful bridge between Schiller and Byung-Chul Han. Anyway, thank you for this stimulating and very well written piece. I'm interested in discussing it more with you when your identity is revealed.
  • Vera Mont
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    In conclusion, any idealisation of liberty expressed within a state lies exposed to the slippery slope of utopian engineering. Therefore, true individual liberty, through Schiller’s aesthetic sensibility, provides a mediating association that can inculcate necessary changes to institutions and prevent them from stagnating by facilitating a means of universal discourse between a plurality of ideas expressed within the public sphere.Moliere
    Where does the concept of liberty originate? Who came up with the idea in the first place? In what circumstances?
    I strongly suspect it was a civilized man who had never seen anyone living in 'a state of nature'.
    The slaves in that civilization didn't discourse upon liberty: they just wanted to run away home. The overlords didn't need to think about it: they could do as they pleased.
    It was that third man, the observer, sitting on his shaded front porch, watching the slaves haul logs and rocks for the king's mighty tower under the whips of their drivers, who began to think about personal liberty.
    In a state of nature, you do what you need to for the survival of your family, shun predators and stalk prey; co-operate, compete and form bonds within your pack. The question of freedom doesn't arise. Nor does the question of governance, because rules of behaviour and leadership grow organically from the life of the clan.
    The nature of Freedom is only contemplated in complex societies, where bondage exists. That is, dysfunctional societies. All that can be negotiated is how to mitigate the imbalance.
    It's nice to have an overview of how philosophers have dealt with that question.
  • Amity
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    When it comes to creating a blueprint for the ideal societal liberty, the differences in such schemes lie in how far they lean toward individual liberty or collective liberty. Many utopian ideals are presented and all of them are left wanting either in the justification of their aims, the responsibility given or taken, or in viewing some form of enforced equality. As Popper remarks, this predicament has been with us since the birth of civilization in our move away from the state of nature—closed society—toward the state of reason—open society (Popper, 1962).Author

    I think this sums up well the problems of freedom. Both as a philosophical concept and the practice.
    Is it possible to create a fair and balanced society to meet the needs, wants and demands of humans?
    Humans who have to cope with their own feelings, reasons and manipulations of behaviour. Most seek some kind of certainty or security. They don't want to live the 'natural' life of the savage. But perhaps, humans, even in the midst of so-called civilised society, react to oppression with passion and violence.

    The global view is scary. The freedom of governments and powerful individuals would seem to be leading to dystopia rather than utopia. Is this being deliberately engineered? Yes, it would seem so.
    Whether any of the regime leaders have read Rousseau or Hobbes, Plato or Schiller is open to question.

    In the UK, PMs have studied at Oxford or some other high-ranking University. Achieving a degree in PPE. The course - Philosophy, Politics and Economics:
    This arose from the belief that the advanced study of all three subjects would transform students’ intellectual lives, to great social benefit. This conviction remains as firm today as it was then. As the world has evolved, so has PPE. The course brings together some of the most important approaches to understanding the world around us, developing skills useful for a wide range of careers and activities.PPE - Oxford University

    Who knows how much attention they paid. Arguably, of greater value were connections in the top hierarchy of society. The lives pursued. The good life of hedonism, narcissism, the privileged. That's a generalisation but one can't help thinking of the Tories and Boris Johnson. The creation of rules for the plebs during covid - the necessary restriction of freedom - compared to their own flaunting of the rules.
    Partying while people died.

    That's just one example. The most recent barbaric abuse of power can be witnessed in Trump's America. Changing from a democracy to an autocracy, if not a dictatorship.
    Discussed in another TPF essay: The Authoritarian Liberty Paradox
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/993416

    In conclusion, any idealisation of liberty expressed within a state lies exposed to the slippery slope of utopian engineering. Therefore, true individual liberty, through Schiller’s aesthetic sensibility, provides a mediating association that can inculcate necessary changes to institutions and prevent them from stagnating by facilitating a means of universal discourse between a plurality of ideas expressed within the public sphere.Author

    I would say the danger lies in dystopian engineering. Aesthetics, beauty and play now at risk. Increasingly out of reach. Arts and creativity clamped down on. The overwhelming need is for people to survive the onslaught. Maslow's pyramid comes to mind.
    https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

    I found the following comments interesting and look forward to hearing more:

    it represents just the type of thinking we need now with the gap between ideological "freedom" and actual freedom becoming ever wider. As an aside, I think Italian theorist Franco Berardi with his idea of poesis and rhythm as paths of resistance forms a useful bridge between Schiller and Byung-Chul Han. Anyway, thank you for this stimulating and very well written piece. I'm interested in discussing it more with you when your identity is revealed.Baden

    I do wonder if we might not now be facing the opposite risk though (although one Schiller might still help with), a sort of "fear of the utopian and principled," a "lack of faith in logos (the life of reason)" paired with an outright fear of thymos (the life of spirit/honor/excellence).Count Timothy von Icarus

    The nature of Freedom is only contemplated in complex societies, where bondage exists. That is, dysfunctional societies. All that can be negotiated is how to mitigate the imbalance.
    It's nice to have an overview of how philosophers have dealt with that question.
    Vera Mont
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