• MoK
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    I am on drugs. What kind of logic is it that says you alter your consciousness in a way that reliably causes hallucination, yet you take hte entities as real?? Seems utterly bizarre to think they are real without further.AmadeusD
    Did the entities you encountered show any sign of intelligence? If yes, why are you discarding them as unreal? I have never used DMT, but if I had a chance, I would ask questions I don't have answers for to check whether these entities are real intelligent entities or just mere hallucinations.

    I've actually had one dream where i was with Graham Hancock on a vine-covered river cruiser speaking at length about the possibility that psilocybin mushrooms graduated through ancient Welsh ceremony to the Druids. Two days later, I fell asleep and hte dream picked up in the exact same place. I was able to report hte entire conversation. This simply means my mind is agile.AmadeusD
    How do you define mind?
  • AmadeusD
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    If yes, why are you discarding them as unreal?MoK

    Because I am intelligent, and it is occurring inside my head. There is nothing to be explained. We understand how this occurs. We create entities constantly. Taking drugs just makes it easier. I cannot understand the question, in some sense, because it seems to reverse the general course of assessment.

    How do you define mind?MoK

    Mental faculties, collectively.
  • MoK
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    Because I am intelligent, and it is occurring inside my head.AmadeusD
    Are you saying what you experience is made by you, yet you are not aware of how you make these experiences? That is a very odd position.

    I cannot understand the question, in some sense, because it seems to reverse the general course of assessment.AmadeusD
    I mean, if they are intelligent entities and can answer questions and continue conversations, etc., then why do you consider them to be unreal? There must be other real entities if they answer your questions, since you don't have answers to your questions. I cannot imagine how you could make these entities in your head, answering your question while you don't know the answers.
  • AmadeusD
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    Are you saying what you experience is made by you, yet you are not aware of how you make these experiences? That is a very odd position.MoK

    This is exactly wrong. You don't know how you produce your every-day experiences, let alone hallucinations. There is simply zero reason to entertain hte idea that these entities are real beyond my mind's creation. It is not an odd position in any sense of that word.

    I cannot imagine how you could make these entities in your head, answering your question while you don't know the answers.MoK

    There has never been any evidence that this has occurred. That you can access your pre-conscious when in an altered state is very well understood.

    There must be other real entities if they answer your questions, since you don't have answers to your questionsMoK

    Which makes this, also, exactly wrong.
  • MoK
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    This is exactly wrong. You don't know how you produce your every-day experiences, let alone hallucinations. There is simply zero reason to entertain hte idea that these entities are real beyond my mind's creation. It is not an odd position in any sense of that word.AmadeusD
    So, you are saying that you create those entities with your mind?

    There has never been any evidence that this has occurred.AmadeusD
    But the guy in the video mentioned intelligence in entities he encountered.

    That you can access your pre-conscious when in an altered state is very well understood.AmadeusD
    I don't know about that. Do you mind elaborating?

    Which makes this, also, exactly wrong.AmadeusD
    Why?
  • AmadeusD
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    So, you are saying that you create those entities with your mind?MoK

    Yes, and that's the general consensus because we already create entities in our minds, in waking and sleeping consciousness. There is literally zero reason to think otherwise with drug use. Particularly as most of these drugs use either neurotransmitters themselves, or analogs thereof.

    But the guy in the video mentioned intelligence in entities he encountered.MoK

    I could tlel you that Jesus spoke to me in a dream and told me 9/11 would happen a week before it did. Big whoopee.

    I don't know about that. Do you mind elaborating?MoK

    Psychedelics reduce blood flood in many areas including the anterior cingulate cortex and hte amygdala. These have to do with emotional processing and "pre-recorded" responses. When these are dampened, we get access to thoughts we usually don't have access to, and information we usually don't want to see. This is why they are so good for exposure therapy - it helps drag up pre-conscious thoughts and ideas which, if understood, would allow us to transmute pain and trauma into better things. Note: Salvia doesn't fucking do this lmaooo. It hits an opioid receptor.

    Why?MoK

    You do have answers to your questions. That's logically deducible from the facts at hand: You are the only person around. You answer your own questions. Presto!
  • MoK
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    I could tlel you that Jesus spoke to me in a dream and told me 9/11 would happen a week before it did. Big whoopee.AmadeusD
    Really? And you think that Jesus is made in your mind, too?

    You do have answers to your questions. That's logically deducible from the facts at hand: You are the only person around. You answer your own questions. Presto!AmadeusD
    I would say that you get access to the content of the subconscious mind when you are on a drug.
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