• unimportant
    102
    As this seems a gently Left leaning forum, aside from the odd 'crypto bro' post I noticed :P, I guess this will fall on sympathetic ears.

    Trump is kind of silly and people don't take him seriously. Well a lot do since he is elected.

    With RFK I find him so duplicitous it somehow makes my skin crawl.

    He acts like "I am not against X,Y,Z" then his behaviors show the exact opposite when he does everything he can to undermine what he claims to not be against.

    Sam Harris made a good point that you should not see him as a politician but as his vocation, which is an attorney and attorneys are up there on the slime factor with used car salesmen. When looked at through this lens the shoe fits.

    When I see documentaries of killers and they have their defense attorneys on they are spouting the same kind of rhetoric where it seems like their own moral views are suppressed and they are just saying whatever paints their defendant in the best light. This is the same style as RFK uses.

    For him to be in power now dismantling public health is just stupid. You could say Trump has been doing the same in other fields but since that was 'pure politics' I felt it was kind of par for the course and Trump is just one more of innumerable BS artist politicians who say one thing and actually do nothing to help. So he is only like a shade or 10 worse than what was already there.

    For RFK to hold the reigns of the health department though that is something that one might have thought for either party would be sacrosanct and now he has trying his best to bulldozer over the scientific institution.

    Sure there will have been evangelical republicans in the past who probably did it too to a degree but this seems way beyond the pale.
  • Christoffer
    2.4k
    As this seems a gently Left leaning forumunimportant

    Do you think people who are left of the extreme right and Trump to be left leaning? I don't think this forum is very left leaning, I think it's pretty balanced. But it is generally the case that conservatives on the right don't care about rational reasoning or established science. This is built into what it means to be a conservative, i.e the established values of the past are more important than what any science or reasoning in the present says.

    So when a forum is dedicated to rational reasoning, scientific scrutiny and philosophical discussion, it tends to clean out much of the narrow thinking that the conservative right, by design, does.

    It is fundamentally impossible to be truly philosophical and also adhere to a conservative right-wing ideology as that positioning is evangelically rigid.

    With that said, the Trump regime and MAGA cult does however not work according to conservative rightwing values and ideas. They're essentially without any ideas or visions. If you actually track what they say over time, there's no structure, no center point; they essentially pick up any topic and go in any direction that builds their community, especially if it organizes them against something or some people.

    It is the behaviors of a cult, taken advantage of by a leader (or rather, leaders) who know how to manipulate and steer them in order to have support for whatever vile agenda they put forward. It's the same for Trump, RFK and everyone at the top.

    It's no wonder that the MAGA movement have grown out of evangelical christian fundamentalists. If you want to have a following that will take a bullet for you, then rein in the gullible religious people into your influence and you will have a following that will support you in whatever you say.

    Normal republicans, or people on the right need to wake up to the fact that Trump and his cult is a cancer on their side. The problem is that the republican party is so filled with people who are just interested in their own journey as politicians that they bend over for this cult as long as they can continue this journey.

    Most of them are so blind to the consequences of this that they will realize too late that they've been dragged down into the lunatic wing of the right.

    Trump is kind of silly and people don't take him seriously. Well a lot do since he is elected.unimportant

    It doesn't matter if people take him seriously or not. His policies hurt people, his policies and decisions have lead to the deaths of people. I think it's important not to be blind by the indirect causes of his actions and decisions, and the actions and decisions of people around him.

    Just because he's a laughing stock doesn't mean the consequences of his decisions and actions are.

    The entire entity that is the MAGA right and Trump and his closest in power, is in fact a fascist movement. And as such shouldn't be taken lightly.

    Historically, it's the apathy of the people that brings forth fascism, acting only when it's too late to act.
  • Paine
    2.9k

    The political advantage of RFK for T is that he pulled in the people who believe those kind of stories. That is it.

    The group being solicited is deemed by the operation to be necessary for their future existence.
  • Relativist
    3.3k
    The political advantage of RFK for T is that he pulled in the people who believe those kind of stories. That is it.Paine
    You're referring to conspiracy theorists - a large segment of Trump's base. Had RFK stayed in the race, he could have pulled some of them away from Trump.
  • Paine
    2.9k

    It seems clear that such an appeal to the base is still high on the agenda.
bold
italic
underline
strike
code
quote
ulist
image
url
mention
reveal
youtube
tweet
Add a Comment

Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!

Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.