Abduction is little more than an attempt to formalise confirmation bias. — Banno
Do you reject everything science teaches? — Relativist
There's that word "best" again. It hides that the criteria being used are things such as parsimony, coherence, and predictive success, normative concerns. Why not drop the pretence of "abduction" as a seperate rational process and look instead at the basis that scientists use for choosing between rival theories.Abduction is the use of the creative imagination in formulating testable hypotheses that might best explain the observed facts. — Janus
Notice that testing is a seperate process to abduction - one adduces the "best" explanation and then tests it. Abduction is not necessary for testing an hypothesis.An abductive hypothesis is always provisional—open to rigorous testing, and thus quite the opposite of confirmation bias. — Janus
There's that word "best" again. It hides that the criteria being used are things such as parsimony, coherence, and predictive success, normative concerns. Why not drop the pretence of "abduction" as a seperate rational process and look instead at the basis that scientists use for choosing between rival theories. — Banno
Notice that testing is a seperate process to abduction - one adduces the "best" explanation and then tests it. Abduction is not necessary for testing an hypothesis. — Banno
Yep. Just so. Do you?I don't think you understand what 'abduction' means in the context of science. — Janus
Ok, that's it's proposed use - how does it manage to do this?It is the use of the imagination to come up with what seems to be the most fitting explanatory hypotheses. — Janus
But there is no method for doing this - only what someone claims to be the "best" hypothesis.to come up with what, consistent with whatever criteria, seems to be the best explanation possible — Janus
Well, if that is all it is, then it doesn't tell us which to choose among the many - which is "best"...To put it concisely 'abduction" simply refers to the process of forming hypotheses. — Janus
To put it concisely 'abduction" simply refers to the process of forming hypotheses.
— Janus
Well, if that is all it is, then it doesn't tell us which to choose among the many - which is "best"... — Banno
I was disagreeing with the assertion that abduction has anything to to with confirmation bias, and I say this is not so because hypotheses are to be tested, not accepted on account of their "feeling right" or whatever. — Janus
It's presented as "given some evidence, infer the hypothesis that would best explain it" where "best" is left ill-defined. This leaves it entirely open to arbitrarily inferring any explanation to be the best. — Banno
Indeed, at its heart, it remains unclear what abduction amounts to; and as such, it is ineligible as a grounding for rational discourse. — Banno
Brainstorming is a creativity technique in which a group of people interact to suggest ideas spontaneously in response to a prompt. Stress is typically placed on the volume and variety of ideas, including ideas that may seem outlandish or "off-the-wall". Ideas are noted down during the activity, but not assessed or critiqued until later.
OK, then you know what abduction is, and claim that science doesn't actually use abduction. Tell me what science actually does that lends it credibility, that is lacking with abduction.Of course not. A rejection of one way that philosophers have claimed science works is not a rejection of science. That scientific theory is developed through abduction is a theory about scientific method. Pointing out the problems with that theory is not pointing out problems with what scientists do, but with what philosophers claim that scientists do. — Banno
Here's a thing - what does "abduction" mean? Even the SEP article can't say. So now you claim it's just making up an hypothesis. So why not just call it "hypothesising"? Why the new name — Banno
Indeed, and my reply was to reaffirm that the testing of an hypothesis is not part of performing an abduction. Abducting is choosing the "best" hypothesis, on the basis of one's preferences - the very meaning of confirmation bias - the tendency to interpret a situation so as to confirm one's preexisting attitudes. — Banno
you really haven’t given a validation of abduction. — Banno
Do you reject everything science teaches? Scientific theory is developed through abduction, and it has proved successful. — Relativist
That seems a rather strange, if not perverse, response from someone who thinks we should be guided by the science as to what to do about human-induced global warming. — Janus
Abduction entails drawing a non-necessary inference from a set of data (intended to be all available, relevant data), that consists of an explanatory hypothesis for that data - one that is deemed to explain the data better* than alternatives. — Relativist
—to repeat, they should be consistent with current scientific theory and understanding. If you want to call that confirmation bias, then you'd better apply that judgement to the whole of science. — Janus
Conformation of the current scientific theory. Feyerabend would have a party here.Second, abduction misses the paradigm-dependence of hypothesis generation. — Joshs
If a conclusion were "determined" (not underdetermined) it would be a deduction- a conclusion that follows necessarily.Better" - an improvement on "best", but suffering the same ambiguity. If abduction is going to tell us which of the innumerable possible explanatory hypotheses to choose, then we need more than an asterisk and a deference. We need the basis for that choice. Otherwise abduction falls to underdetermination, to the Duhem–Quine problem. — Banno
Methodology is indeed key. Some basics: explanatory scope and power, parsimony, more plausible than alternatives (consistent with more facts that are commonly accepted), fewer ad hoc assumptions (ad hoc suppositions are assumptions that are not entailed by the data and other commonly accepted facts). Biases entail ad hoc assumptions. It also entails consideration of other hypotheses.So it comes down to how you cash out better/superior.
And hence my original point, that whatever criteria you choose, you are subsequently just reinforcing that choice. — Banno
Accepting science means you treat the body of scientific information as true, despite the fact that it is possibly false — Relativist
Then explain by what you meant by "I believe in science."Accepting science means you treat the body of scientific information as true, despite the fact that it is possibly false — Relativist
No it doesn't. — unenlightened
False equivalence. Science is not equivalent to what individual scientists say. I'm referring to commonly accepted theory. How we deal with the potential for bias by scientists is another matter.Scientists are not all equally scrupulous, and are subject to peer pressure, the persuasion of big pharma et cetera, and the need to get funding. Some science is biased and some is slapdash, and some is bullshit. It's not supposed to be religion where you just believe what the high priests say. — unenlightened
Then explain by what you meant by "I believe in science." — Relativist
Science is not equivalent to what individual scientists say. I'm referring to commonly accepted theory. — Relativist
Irrelevant to the point I made: you accept some things as true, despite the possibility it is false.Science is not equivalent to what individual scientists say. I'm referring to commonly accepted theory.
— Relativist
And individual scientists do not talk about commonly accepted theory? — unenlightened
Not all all. Up to now, you seem to have been arguing that if a statement is POSSIBLY false, then it cannot be assumed true. That is what I was challenging.Really, what do you imagine needs your stalwart defence here? Are you having a battle to see who understands science better? Enough already!
What I believe is that science is a sceptical endeavour, that progresses by means of demonstration. which is to say, that I expect scientists not to put their trust too lightly in the work of others, but require experiments to be repeated, and findings to be demonstrated, and theories to be treated as provisional whenever their scope is extended. — unenlightened
Should. But should it?...it should involve actively trying to falsify current accepted belief and theory and attempting to find better, more comprehensive hypotheses. — Janus
In reality, we do not have just A - we have alternate hypotheses, each of which explains C. And we have the possibility that C is incorrect. C is also theory laden - observations dependent on our prior presumptions as to what it is we are observing.The surprising fact, C, is observed.
But if A were true, C would be a matter of course.
Hence, there is reason to suspect that A is true. — SEP article
And to the problem of which hypothesis is best. Abduction does not tell us. It instead brings in the auxiliaries of simplicity and coherence, aesthetic preferences that remain unclarified within the context of abduction. So again, abduction amounts to choosing the hypothesis that looks good to you.Given evidence E and candidate explanations H1,…, Hn of E, infer the truth of that Hi which best explains E. — SEP article
If a conclusion were "determined" (not underdetermined) it would be a deduction- a conclusion that follows necessarily.
Of course, as you said, deduction would be preferred, but in real life (including science) we rarely have sufficient information to make a deduction. But there is often sufficient information to support some hypotheses more than others. — Relativist
Abduction here leads away from the better answer!The surprising fact, Brownian motion, is observed.
But if there are eddies in the fluid, Then Brownian motion would be a matter of course.
Hence, there is reason to suspect that there are eddies in the fluid.
But this abduction was mistaken!The surprising fact, the procession of Mercury, is observed.
But if Vulcan were true, the procession of Mercury would be a matter of course.
Hence, there is reason to suspect that Vulcan exists.
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