Wayfarer

Pure experience is beyond the level of being and has no essence… It permeates the show without showing itself — Michel Bitbol
There is no world without consciousness, though consciousness is not a thing in the world — Michel Bitbol
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Janus
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On the other hand we can certainly imagine that material conditions were present prior to the advent of consciousness or least prior to consciousness as we understand it. All our scientific evidence points to that conclusion. — Janus
180 Proof
It means 'the map(maker) =/= territory' (i.e. epistemically ascribing has (a) referent(s) ontologically in excess of – anterior-posterior to – the subject ascribing, or episteme).The question isn’t “Did the world exist before consciousness?” but “What does it mean to assert existence independently of the conditions under which existence is ascribed at all?” — Wayfarer
Janus
Indeed it does, but outside that imaginative act what remains?
The point of Bitbol's line of criticism, is that both the subject and the objects of scientific analysis are reduced to abstractions in day-to-day thought. But these abstractions are then imbued with an ostensibly fundamental reality - the subject 'bracketed out' of the proceedings, the objective domain taken to be truly existent. But it should be acknowledged, the 'co-arising' of the subjective and objective is very much part of the phenomenological perspective. — Wayfarer
“What does it mean to assert existence independently of the conditions under which existence is ascribed at all?” — Wayfarer
It means 'the map(maker) =/= territory' (i.e. epistemically ascribing has (a) referent(s) ontologically in excess of – anterior-posterior to – the subject ascribing, or episteme). — 180 Proof
Wayfarer
disembodied ("immaterial") consciousness doesn't make any sense – is just wishful / magical thinking. — 180 Proof
Banno
Phenomenology begins from a simple but far-reaching insight: the reality of first-person consciousness is ineliminable, and any account of the world must ultimately be grounded in the structures of experience as they appear to the subject. — Wayfarer
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