??????? You at the one saying all actions are determined. Go ahead and start enumerating all of the laws that do this.prove it. — PeterPants
I really don't understand why you would want to make yourself look so silly.. — PeterPants
i was not actually claiming that we 'should' act responsibly, what i was claiming was that if we want a productive society that enables the well being of its proponents, then we ought to take responsibility for what our own brains end up doing. they are after all OUR brains. — PeterPants
so what? hurry up and get the ideas into your computer that will stop you acting like a child — PeterPants
OK, so my point is, that since we are not responsible, what makes you think that we would want a productive society? — Metaphysician Undercover
Doesn't wanting a productive society only come about as the result of a person being responsible? — Metaphysician Undercover
You reverse this, and say that the irresponsible person ought to want to be responsible. — Metaphysician Undercover
Furthermore, you've already described it as impossible for a person to change what oneself is — Metaphysician Undercover
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