What is the mind without its contents? What is the mind when it is vacant of thought, perceptions, ideas and concepts? Is it still in existence or is non existent without these properties? — Fumani
Philosophy is supposed to be based on logic
— bioazer
Who says? Your Logic course professor? Logic is a game, not philosophy. — Rich
I thought that the point of philosophy was to explain why the sun comes up, not to fry your retinas.We can utilize logic to explain the appearance of the sun but nothing will come close to directly observing the sun with your own two eyes.
How does information have any meaning if some kind of structured and consistent system of thought is not applied? — bioazer
Give me one single example, pal. — bioazer
From direct observation, the Earth appears to be flat. So I guess the Earth is flat — bioazer
Without some kind of methodology, discussing philosophy becomes pretty meaningless, because there is no real way to debate or compare ideas. Some kind of structure is required.
We use logic because it is a tool that can be employed to describe the world with a fairly high degree of accuracy. Simple observations are not enough.
I refuse to argue or challenge anything outside of logic because it is pointless and silly! If you postulate anything outside the realm of logic, it is entirely subjective speculation and I could postulate something completely the opposite and neither of us have any way of proving our point to the other. If nothing you say is provably true or false, then why should I bother even engaging with you, or you with me? Both of us have to be logical if we want to have any kind of meaningful discussion. — bioazer
I thought that the point of philosophy was to explain why the sun comes up, not to fry your retinas — bioazer
As some sort of pedogogical training tool, logic is OK. But the longest standing tradition is direct observation of patterns in nature which goes back eons, to pre-historical times, across all cultures, and continues through modern philosophical thought. It is the only method that allows philosophy to move forward. Logic goes round and round. — Rich
How is it possible to observe patterns in nature without some kind of tool that ontologically discloses the patterns as patterns? — bloodninja
It is not direct observation as such but the articulation of this direct observation that is philosophically relevant. — bloodninja
This is precisely what the mind does and only the mind. Tools are simply that. No more. — Rich
I would say that the Mind is the observer that learns (memory) and created new patterns from what it learns. — Rich
I would say that the Mind is the observer that learns (memory) and created new patterns from what it learns. — Rich
Suffice to say, no one should say that Google Maps is a "mind". — Akanthinos
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