More than 500 legal scholars have published a letter arguing that President Trump committed impeachable conduct in his dealings with the Ukrainian government earlier this year. The evidence shows that the President attempted to corrupt the 2020 election by using his official power to withhold critical military aid in order to pressure the Ukrainian president into announcing investigations that would benefit Trump “for his personal and political benefit.” This behavior, the scholars reason, is an “attempt to subvert the Constitution”—language that Founding Father George Mason used to describe what would constitute an impeachable offense. They write:
The Founders did not make impeachment available for disagreements over policy, even if they are profound, or for extreme distaste for the manner in which the President executes his office. Only “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” warrant impeachment. The President’s conduct with respect to Ukraine clears that bar.
"If Trump is innocent, why won't he allow both the subpoena'd witnesses and documents exonerate himself? It only adds to the other articles in the impeachment, of obstruction of justice."
My guess is because it’s an unjust investigation and a fishing expedition. — NOS4A2
then I think America is inexorably fucked, which will inexorably fuck the rest of the world, and likely be the beginning of the end of democracy. — VagabondSpectre
How fuck the rest if the world? — frank
just remember he's not the worst president we ever had. — frank
The economic or militaristic failure of America would have so many complex ramifications across our inter-dependent globalized markets and security infrastructures that the entire world would enter a period of adjustment as a result. — VagabondSpectre
The more America fails, the less true that becomes, and the more other nations start trying non-"democratic" approaches to governance... — VagabondSpectre
I'm straining to to understand how this could be true... — VagabondSpectre
I think Andrew Jackson was worse (Indian Removal Act). There was no 24 hour news cycle then though. — frank
I'm not super comfortable with your iconic view of the US. We talked about that before. — frank
Could Trump cause that by himself? I dont think so. That sort of thing happens because of drastically concentrated wealth (I think). — frank
This is a very critical moment. I’m just of the mind that American politics needs eroding. We’re watching the death throes of the politically-correct, public relations, corrupt Ivy-league style of politics as they lose their grip on power.. The elites are exposed. Washington is no longer getting rich at the expense of the rest of the country. Good riddance in my opinion — NOS4A2
Jerry Nadler, head of the judicial committee, responded to the White House's refusal to participate, saying, "If the President has no good response to the allegations, then he would not want to appear before the Committee."
"Having declined this opportunity, he cannot claim that the process is unfair," he continued. "The President's failure will not prevent us from carrying out our solemn constitutional duty."
But for you, trump is a knight in shining armor who came to slay the black knight and his dragons.
For me, Trump is the naked emperor, parading through the streets as if wearing feathered robes of highest quality.
Tell me, what do you see when you look at Trump?
He’s as American as apple pie. — NOS4A2
If apple pie was born into extreme wealth, and then proceeded to fail at everything but entertainment, then I would agree with you.
How has trump rebuked the elite power mongers? It's seems like he was one of them all along (or worse, he is their useful idiot).
Our swamp runneth over...
Fail at everything? He’s the most powerful man in the world. If that is failure I’d love to see what you consider success. — NOS4A2
Tax returns? The man paid $38m in 2005, more in one year than you or I would ever pay in 5 lifetimes. — NOS4A2
Most of his businesses? There are nearly 500 business entities currently running under the Trump organization. If most have have failed as you claim, why won’t you prove it? — NOS4A2
He’s fucking America? America hasn’t seen an economy like this in over half a century. Jobs, wage growth, record low unemployment, the biggest oil producer in the world—America is winning. — NOS4A2
A criminal? Name one criminal offence he has been convicted of. You can’t, because there are none. — NOS4A2
Because beneath the typical anti-trump propaganda is a story you’d never tell: the truth. — NOS4A2
Before he took office, Donald Trump was involved in a truly astronomical number of lawsuits. A USA Today report published in 2016 found that there had been 3,500 legal actions filed by and against Trump and his hundreds of businesses in federal and state courts, ranging from sexual harassment to contract violations to class-actions for misleading advertising, and settled at least 100 of them.
Let's say this leads to fewer environmental regulations and lower taxes (higher profits for Walmart!). The wealth gap will grow, quality of life will stagnate and decline, and we might not be prepared for the effects of climate change or the end of oil. That puts America into a vulnerable situation, where natural disasters are ruinous, civil unrest is rising, and the union itself is called into question. — VagabondSpectre
Right off the bat an anti-Trump talking point I’ve heard many times, even in this very thread—Had Trump done such and such with his money he’d be a lot wealthier. Of course this sort of counterfactual thinking is unprovable, more a catharsis for those who believe they could do a better job. — NOS4A2
“Trickle-down” economics is a Democrat-invented mischaracterization of supply-side economics. Right from the get go we expose ourselves. Of course it’s a straw man. — NOS4A2
4 bankruptcies out of nearly 500 businesses. So much for “most of them” being failures. — NOS4A2
Neither Trump nor his family have been convicted of refusing to rent to black people. He was sued and it was settled. No, Trump has not been convicted of any crimes. His Trump U was a civil, not a criminal suit. — NOS4A2
It’s perfect that with all the bullshit you oppose you serve up a big steamy platter of it yourself. — NOS4A2
A Democratic dynasty wouldn't put us in a much better position. We need fission and fusion power if possible. Democrats wouldn't support that. — frank
We'll deal with peak oil and climate change when we get there. — frank
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