Ive started to realize that the people who broadcast preductions that no climate scientist supports will continue to do so because they don't care about the truth. That's true on both sides of the issue. — frank
This doesn't make any sense as this is a global event with a global response to it. This isn't a Dutch issue only, it's a global issue.That covid isn't the killer virus that everyone had expected is painfully clear here, and the only ones still maintaining that it is, are in the sitting government who is being torn to shreds by the opposition for it. Meanwhile, the population has been in a state of lockdown for half a year, and legislation is being passed which gives the government power over people's private lives which is simply unconstitutional. — Tzeentch
Definitely there are some people who say things contrary to science because they don't care about truth. But I think the vast majority are just idiots. Never underestimate a stupid person who thinks they're smart. — darthbarracuda
The issue is that humanity is not correcting the problem, the fossil fuel emissions are still going up. This may be why some folk start shouting about it. — Punshhh
It's both sides. It's not truth vs lies. It's battle of the bullshit — frank
:up:Conflating truth and belief is not helpful here. That's a large part of problem. — creativesoul
Sure, you can point to some lunatics on both sides, — Kenosha Kid
BLM protesters are as bad as one another just because of opportunistic thuggery on both sides. — Kenosha Kid
It's that some well meaning person suggested we should take seriously the threat of the earth becoming like Venus. It's that someone failed to explain that "tipping point" does not mean doom. It just means we cant go back. — frank
Anyway, I think that your country will survive this just fine just as Arizona will do also. I said to my children that remember this time as when you are older, so you can tell about how it was as a child during the 2020 corona-pandemic. Those stories may get younger people listening, but who knows. — ssu
Climate science and economic policy recommendations are still a bit different from each other.Environmental concern is overwhelmingly backed by science, that is, the scientific consensus is overwhelmingly in favour of climate action. — Kenosha Kid
Best to discuss issues where politicians haven't taken the center stage. — ssu
I'd take that grain of salt when a matter comes to be the focus of politicians. Only that.I hope I'm reading you incorrectly, and you're not saying we should not discuss climate change on grounds that politicians cannot discuss it well. — Kenosha Kid
I'd take that grain of salt when a matter comes to be the focus of politicians. Only that. — ssu
is very much characteristic of the [bullshit] side of the argument to conclude that, because the dangers of unconstrained fossil fuel consumption is bad, that means that the argument for climate action is bullshit. — Kenosha Kid
“Panglossian falsehoods convene the crowd, discouraging truths disperse it.” ~Thomas LigottiWhat is depressing is knowing that, even armed with all the facts, we can't do anything about it because the majority of us would rather believe the guys who tell us it's okay, it's a scientific hoax, and you can just keep burning oil forever with no consequences. — Kenosha Kid
I dont know anybody who reasons this way. I think you're making stuff up. — frank
What's become apparent to me is that not only do people not care about the truth, their truth is always how they want the world to be. — Kenosha Kid
This not the case on climate change, the vast majority do trust the scientific message. My point about humanity not cutting fossil fuel use is blaming the policy makers and governments, not the public at large. A case in point, the leader of the free world, Trump, says that the reason there are these large forest fires on the west coast of America, is because the leaves haven't been swept up. Implying that the solution to the climate and ecological crisis of that part of the world is for someone to come along and sweep up the leaves. Over an area of thousands of square miles presumably. Is it any wonder folk hear that and sigh, saying we really are doomed.I understand. More misinformation just leaves people not trusting anyone or over reacting. Better to not shout at all than shout untruths.
President Trump, who is hospitalized with COVID-19, received supplemental oxygen on Saturday – an episode previously undisclosed by the team treating him -- and is now being treated with a powerful steroid amid indications that his lungs may have suffered some damage, the White House physician said Sunday.
At a briefing at Walter Reed medical center, doctors treating Trump continued to be upbeat about his condition, with one of his physicians saying that the president could be discharged as soon as tomorrow. But White House physician, Dr. Sean Conley, also acknowledged that he had omitted some information from his briefing on Saturday, saying he was “trying to reflect the upbeat attitude” of Trump and his aides.
“It came off that we were trying to hide something,” he admitted, saying that had not been their intent.
Conley provided several significant new pieces of information Sunday about the 74-year-old president, saying that he had experienced a “high fever” and received supplemental oxygen on Friday, before being transported to the military hospital in suburban Bethesda, Md. He revealed that Trump’s oxygen level had fallen again on Saturday to the point that oxygen was required and that scans of his lungs showed some indications of damage, although he insisted they were not of “major clinical concern.”
Significantly, Conley said the president had been given dexamethasone, a steroid, which some experts had said previously would be a significant development.
Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said in an interview Saturday that he would watch for use of dexamethasone, saying it would be a “very clear signal that he has a more severe disease.”
In mild cases, he said, “we actually think it does more harm than good.”
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