But where does this idea come from that Trump wants to 'ally Russia'?

The Hilary Clinton campaign. People here don’t like to remember that during Trump’s first term they were duped by a campaign hoax in what might have been the greatest blunder in history, leading precisely to the anti-Russian rhetoric and even violence we see today. That’s a chapter we should never let them forget.

And is there any gold left after they have been there? :joke:

No seriously, have you noticed that gold has been quite persistent...




Wrong again. This is similar lie like the peaceful protest of Jan 6th.

The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity

- The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
- Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.
- A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.

Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016

Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”
Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.
Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.

See here

But as the Mueller report didn't find direct cooperation, then the whimsical idea that you promote has surfaced. Just like the Jan 6th attack on Congress didn't lead to an autocoup by the former President, it had to be a peaceful demonstration and Trump won those elections. Similar dubious logic. (Which already was backed then discussed on this forum)

And now we see the effect of this.

That’s all you have is the fruit from that poisonous tree known as crossfire hurricane, and the years spent repeating it. Of course, as other probes have proven, that investigation was significantly flawed and full of errors.

I guess the Russian Reset (2009-2013) was forgotten already?
There were smiles and handshakes and button-presses and such, four US administrations ago, roughly the same Russian administration as now, that decidedly ended with the invasion of the Little Green Men and what followed.

Yes, Trump is going again for a "reset". Like uh, George W Bush, Obama...
So forget the war and "the dictator of Ukraine" and NATO, Russia has so much to offer Trump!

So will Lavrov get the famous reset button for Trump to push with Trump?

That’s all you have is the fruit from that poisonous tree known as crossfire hurricane, and the years spent repeating it. Of course, as other probes have proven, that investigation was significantly flawed and full of errors. — NOS4A2

What a shit-mouth you are, nos4. Before Trump's first term he was associated with Russians, even from years before. Nearly the first thing he did in office was privately "entertain" in the Oval office high Russian officials, apparently providing to them classified information. Fast forward and practically the very first steps of Trump's second presidency have been to cripple or stop outright across-the-board government programs monitoring Russian activities of all kinds.

Imo, Encharmion has it right:

Sure, it's very dumb, but if he's not trying that, then what the fuck is he doing? — Echarmion

You, nos4, make the mistake of spreading your poison out to people who were there and know the truth of these matters. That you seem oblivious to that argues that you do not care. Which in turn argues you're nothing but a vicious troll. I'd say weasel, but that an insult to weasels.

Well, then let's refer to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election:

The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee submitted the first part of its five-volume report in July 2019 in which it concluded that the January 2017 Intelligence Community assessment alleging Russian interference was "coherent and well-constructed". The first volume also concluded that the assessment was "proper", learning from analysts that there was "no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions". The final and fifth volume, which was the result of three years of investigations, was released on August 18, 2020, ending one of the United States "highest-profile congressional inquiries." The Committee report found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Donald Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers.

But oh! In your echo chamber they have "unproven" this. Oh yes...

You guys were duped by the Clinton campaign and will never come to terms with it. That’s fine by me; your errors have resulted in world we live in today, and you have to live in it. Enjoy!

You guys were duped by the Clinton campaign and will never come to terms with it. That’s fine by me; your errors have resulted in world we live in today, and you have to live in it. Enjoy! — NOS4A2

Maybe I miss-spoke in insulting you. My apologies if I did. Maybe the truth is you're just plain deluded.

You just keep wearing that MAGA-hat with your fellow Canadians. Just keep telling them how great it would be for them to become the 51st State of the United States under Trump.

Bernie telling it like it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlrQKv1vN_4

That’s right. As the Durham report found “the government possessed no verified intelligence reflecting that Trump or the Trump campaign was involved in a conspiracy or collaborative relationship with officials of the Russian government”, and “neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation”, and that they “failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law”.

Worse are the details.

“The matter was opened as a full investigation without ever having spoken to the persons who provided the information. Further, the FBI did so without (1) any significant review of its own intelligence databases, (2) collection and examination of any relevant intelligence from other U.S. intelligence entities, (3) interviews of witnesses essential to understand the raw information it had received or (4) using any of the standard analytical tools typically employed by the FBI in evaluating raw intelligence. Had it done so…the FBI would have learned that their own experienced Russia analysts had no information about Trump being involved with Russian leadership officials, nor were others in sensitive positions at the CIA, the NSA, and the Department of State aware of such evidence concerning the subject. In addition, FBI records prepared by Strzok in February and March 2017 show that at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump campaign had been in contact with any Russian intelligence officials.”

“The FBI discounted or willfully ignored material information that did not support the narrative of a collusive relationship between Trump and Russia.”

https://www.justice.gov/archives/media/1381211/dl

Given this, why do you keep waving these investigations around?

Do you even read what I write?

So I'll repeat:

But as the Mueller report didn't find direct cooperation, then the whimsical idea that you promote has surfaced. Just like the Jan 6th attack on Congress didn't lead to an autocoup by the former President, it had to be a peaceful demonstration and Trump won those elections. Similar dubious logic. (Which already was backed then discussed on this forum)

Hence:

The Committee report found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Donald Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers.

I do. But you never write things like this:

The speed and manner in which the FBI opened and investigated Crossfire Hurricane during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence also reflected a noticeable departure from how it approached prior matters involving possible attempted foreign election interference plans aimed at the Clinton campaign. As described in Section IV.B, in the eighteen months leading up to the 2016 election, the FBI was required to deal with a number of proposed investigations that had the potential of affecting the election. In each of those instances, the FBI moved with considerable caution. In one such matter… FBI Headquarters and Department officials required defensive briefings to be provided to Clinton and other officials or candidates who appeared to be the targets of foreign interference. In another, the FBI elected to end an investigation after one of its longtime and valuable CHSs went beyond what was authorized and made an improper and possibly illegal financial contribution to the Clinton campaign on behalf of a foreign entity as a precursor to a much larger donation being contemplated.

And we know why you won’t, ssu.

Rachel Maddow, fact-checking the liar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanWPYhUq04

Intellectuals hate it when audacity is more effective than intelligence. :sad:

Intellectuals hate it when audacity is more effective than intelligence. :sad: — frank

More effective at what? Or do you care?

More effective at what? Or do you care? — tim wood

Accomplishing their goals.

Rachel Maddow, fact-checking the liar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanWPYhUq04 — tim wood

For those who prefer to read rather than watch, here's NPR's fact-check:
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/04/g-s1-50488/trump-congress-joint-address-fact-check

Same old tired crap. ssu was discussing Mueller, and you bring up a distorted view of the predecessor investigation - omitting the fact that it was most certainly warranted (even Durham acknowledged that).

What's up with that?

Pam Bondi ends FBI effort to combat foreign influence in U.S. politics
^{— Ken Dilanian · NBC · Feb 6, 2025}

:up:

What's up with that? — jorndoe

The Trump administration is ending everything that would put him in the questionable light in any way...

As you know, Jan 6th was a peaceful protest and Trump won the 2020 elections. :smile:

"During her Jan. 15 Senate confirmation hearing, [attorney general Pam] Bondi denied that she would engage in a politically motivated purge of the Justice Department..."Politics will not play a part".

But when interviewed by Sean Hannity this week, she said:

"Well, first and foremost, we got rid of the Jack Smith team. Gone. Those people are gone...We're still trying to find … a lot of people in the FBI and also in the Department of Justice who despise Donald Trump, despise us, don't want to be there....You have to do the right thing and right now we're going to root them out...We will find them, and they will no longer be employed.”
-- 'Everything is on the table' on DOJ purge of Trump haters, AG Pam Bondi says

Loyalty to Donald is now a condition of employment in the DOJ.

Meanwhile:

Jan. 6 prosecutors demoted by Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in Washington
"The lead prosecutors on both the Oath Keepers seditious conspiracy case and the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy case, among the highest-profile Jan. 6 prosecutions, were demoted to work cases in D.C. Superior Court"

I would not be surprised if Trump were to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes, who were convicted of seditious conspiracy and (of course) pardoned by Trump.

...what was ominous in 2016 is dangerous in 2025, especially in Europe. Russian military aggression is more damaging, Russian sabotage across Europe more frequent, and Russian cyberattacks almost constant. In truth, it is Putin, not Zelensky, who started this conflict, Putin who has brought North Korean troops and Iranian drones to Europe, Putin who instructs his propagandists to talk about nuking London, Putin who keeps raising the stakes and scope of the war. Most Europeans live in this reality, not in the fictional world inhabited by Trump, and the contrast is making them think differently about Americans. According to pollsters, nearly three-quarters of French people now think that the U.S. is not an ally of France. A majority in Britain and a very large majority in Denmark, both historically pro-American countries, now have unfavorable views of the U.S. as well.

In reality, the Russians have said nothing publicly about leaving Ukrainian territory or stopping the war. In reality, they have spent the past decade building a cult of cruelty at home. Now they have exported that cult not just to Europe, not just to Africa, but to Washington too. This administration abruptly canceled billions of dollars of food aid and health-care programs for the poorest people on the planet, a vicious act that the president and vice president have not acknowledged but that millions of people can see. Their use of tariffs as random punishment, not for enemies but for allies, seems not just brutal but inexplicable.

And in the Oval Office, Trump and Vance behaved like imperial rulers chastising a subjugated colony, vocalizing the same disgust and disdain that Russian propagandists use when they talk about Ukraine. Europeans know, everyone knows, that if Trump and Vance can talk that way to the president of Ukraine, then they might eventually talk that way to their country’s leader next. — Anne Applebaum, The Atlantic

Pam Bondi ends FBI effort to combat foreign influence in U.S. politics — jorndoe

That, combined with other terminations of intelligence gathering along with the attempts to delete data in each department points to a willingness for invisibility and silence.

Same old tired crap. ssu was discussing Mueller, and you bring up a distorted view of the predecessor investigation - omitting the fact that it was most certainly warranted (even Durham acknowledged that).

Mueller took over crossfire hurricane. He even hired people who worked on Crossfire hurricane, started crossfire hurricane, and many more from the FBI. They were let go once their anti-Trump bias was exposed, but it’s still poison from the same tree. Speaking of facts, Durham did not acknowledge it was most certainly warranted. He wrote an entire chapter on how flimsy it all was.

As I said, same old tired crap. I've discussed all this with you before and showed how wrong you are.

You just made two provably false statements in one sentence.

‘Trump’s speech was 10 minutes longer than the Lion King, but had twice as much lyin’ in it’ ~ Jimmy Kimmel.

We’ll see what comes of this. But in their infinite wisdom the previous administration was handing out massive multi-billion dollar grants to brand new climate change startups with only $100 revenue, some with friends of the party at the helm. Virtue-signalling into crime with the Green new scam.