By your reasoning, then, everything is God; — Bitter Crank
I am present in front of my computer; I am present in my house; I am present in The Philosophy Forum, yet I am not coextensive with my computer, the house, or TPS. Why can't God be present in Paris, but not be the same as Paris? Or be present in your toilet bowl while not being the same as a toilet bowl? — Bitter Crank
If intentionality isnt a necessary component of mind, then if God's mind lacks intentionality, how is that any different from a physical universe that is shaped by mindless, unintentional forces, the way way science describes reality? — Harry Hindu
We could have minds too as you havent defined what mind is. — Harry Hindu
present everywhere — Terrapin Station
Doesn't God's omniscience matter in this? — TheMadFool
Depends on how you contextualize this. If you equate His/Her/Its omniscience with the world, then there is nothing apart from the World and God is a solipsist. — Wallows
What about us? We're not God, let's say for the reason we're capable of evil and god is all-good. Therefore God wouldn't be a solipsist since he would know us as distinct from himself. — TheMadFool
Have you ever lucid dreamed? — Wallows
No but I'd like to. What's your point if I may ask? — TheMadFool
So how would you say that God wouldn't be the same as Paris if he's omnipresent? — Terrapin Station
Wouldn't God have a problem being the same as Paris and Akron, Ohio at the same time? I mean, there are limits on what is imaginable, even for god, right? — Bitter Crank
What would limited agency look like vs. the illusion of agency? In other words, how would God know that his agency isn't an illusion, and just limited?Well, backtracking on my limited knowledge of Spinoza, this raises the concept of necessitarianism. If everything that is the case can only be true in one world*, then God is equanimous with a strict degree of agency pertaining to the current state of affairs of the world. So, human agency is essentially an illusion and God too has limited agency if we equate Him/Her/It with the World. — Wallows
Right, so what would the illusion of free will look like vs. limited free will? And how is limited free will not a contradiction?So, I'll assert that to have a mind is to have some degree of agency, or more succinctly, to have a mind is to have something called a free will. — Wallows
What would limited agency look like vs. the illusion of agency? — Harry Hindu
In other words, how would God know that his agency isn't an illusion, and just limited? — Harry Hindu
The idea isn't that every location is the entirety of God. But God needs to be present at every location for omnipresence. — Terrapin Station
Yes, that's my understanding - God is present AT every location. — Bitter Crank
Right, but there can't be anywhere that God is not located then. Including every cell of bodies, ever elementary particle, etc. — Terrapin Station
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