As I said, I'm not interested in W's pretentiousness or yours. If by any chance what you refer to as an example of others using W. to veil their own pretentiousness is that the quotes by W. were provided by another, then I'd be interested to see how you can conclude that they were pretentious. — Πετροκότσυφας

Where did you say you're not interested in Witty's pretentiousness, and where did you say you're not interested in my pretentiousness?

And no, I didn't mean that someone else providing those quotes is an example of that person's pretentiousness. God dude, what point are you making here? Do I nee to just spell my point out to you in kindergarden terms? Here it is: "Witty was great, but not that great. People worship Witty sometimes, and that's dumb."

I don't know. I'm just tilting at windmills here. Don't mind me.

A'ight brah, I'll spell it out since you have no imagination. I thought you did, since you have good taste in music, but you're apparently a robot: My commentary on the Witty quotes were written in a (pretty bad) Witty voice. That's it. That was the joke. Surprise!

Are you my ex? What are we arguing about? Will I ever be right? What point do you want to make? Make a philosophical point, my dude.

Thanks for the explanation but it does not explain anything. I didn't quote your first post. I quoted you agreeing with Posty, no jokes there. I don't think that prompting me to your joke was in any way relevant to what I asked for, since I asked examples of other people using W. to hide their own pretentiousness. I didn't ask for an example of you imitating W., even if this was supposed to be a representation of how others use him to hide their own pretentiousness. If your agreeing with Posty was a joke too, then fine. You could have said. — Πετροκότσυφας

I think, I elucidated the matter in a short exchange with Noble Dust in the above referenced thread. If you want to continue this over, there I'd be glad to.

Can you, instead, provide examples of how Witty's trite quotes are examples of profound wisdom?

What matter? — Πετροκότσυφας

The matter of hiding behind a veil of quotes and/or maxims to justify one's prejudices or beliefs about the world or other people.

The only thing I was interested in and asked for was actual examples of people doing what you said. — Πετροκότσυφας

I'm not going to point fingers and say he did this or that. But, from my own experience, we use philosophers as crutches to stand on and justify our/my own beliefs about the world.

This forum must have plenty of such examples, If you or noble don't want to give me a couple, that's fine. — Πετροκότσυφας

Isn't the fact that philosophers are quoted at length to support and entrench beliefs, as prime example of this?

So why are you a part of this discussion?

Because a claim was made and I wanted to see if it can be shown to hold any water. — Πετροκότσυφας

So you've never met a Witty fan who was a bit worshipful, right? The concept doesn't even remotely suggest a meme to you, right?

I don't think that using others' points to support ours is pretentious in any straightforward way. — Πετροκότσυφας

It can be. When does the referencing stop and authentic philosophy begin though, to put another way?

Sure, fire away.

Ah, so this is about @Posty McPostface and his love of Witty. You might have noticed that this entire exchange began with my commentary on the Witty quotes (made by someone else, a newbie), and then Posty's sad face emoji. The two of us began that exchange in good faith together after the sad face emoji; @Posty McPostface and myself immediately understood that there was some agreement and some disagreement between us; correct me if I'm wrong, Posty.

So why did you barge in? Again, what's your goal? I clearly described my goal to you, at the death of my clever Witty jokes. At least clearly demarcate your position in this discussion, jokes or no, so we understand ourselves better. By the way, I actually don't give a shit about this semantic battle. I'm just continuing it because I'm a vain son of a bitch who wants to be right. But please prove me wrong. Just let me know, clearly and concisely, just exactly what your stake is in this verbal battle.

Yeah, you are right. The sad face was the expression of awareness of my own hubris about being a Wittgenstein worshiper, haha. Though, I definitely wouldn't call it pretentiousness, maybe the early Wittgenstien though not the latter one.

Yeah, I certainly didn't mean to call you out as a Witty worshiper; I posted my commentary (of those quotes from a newbie) with no other reference whatsoever.

No worries dude. I don't take these matters as personal. It's philosophy not politics after all...

Wow, you're right. I'm a vain son of a bitch who's asking you questions in bad faith. I don't give a shit about this. Indeed, I'm only pretending to engage with the discussion; all because I want to be seen as right. I've totally missed how I'm wrong; that's because I'm a vain son of a bitch. And no, it's not about being right, but rather, about being seen as being right, which makes no sense.

:up:

Thumbs up as in you recognize that I'm arguing in good faith, and that we're talking past one another, right?

I literally have no idea how we got here.

And if you got bored by the sarcasm and irony, then you've missed the whole point of my initial post.

So, the whole point seems to me to be that I am too being pretentious in my worshipping of Wittgenstien. Is that correct?

No. As I already mentioned, my commentary had nothing to do with you personally. You brought yourself into the discussion by offering a sad emoji.

No, but, it does apply to me too as Πετροκότσυφας is trying to point out... As he has stated that I am a prime example to this matter.

Again, I never mentioned you in this, in my first post. This whole thing is meaningless.

Oh, well. I don't mind either way.

What are we arguing about, philosophically?

But if you want to give you an example of such a fan, then Posty might be the closest I've seen here. If you want actual quotes, I can provide them.

Then according to you I am being pretentious. Fine, then.

Again, literally no one knows what you're arguing for right now.

Jesus, PMing you.

"Posty said you think he's being pretentious??" At least get your fucking grammar right.