Ayn Rand: I object to the idea that the people have the right to vote on everything.
Rand is completely correct here. Democracy is not perfect. Democracy gave America and the world Donald Trump. — Marcus de Brun
I feel that it is terrible, that you see destruction all around you, and that you are moving toward disaster until, and unless, all those welfare state conceptions have been reversed and rejected. It is precisely these trends which are bringing the world to disaster, because we are now moving towards complete collectivism, or socialism. A system under which everybody is enslaved to everybody, and we are moving that way only because of our altruist morality.
Rand is entirely correct here. — Marcus de Brun
unless, all those welfare state conceptions have been reversed and rejected. It is precisely these trends which are bringing the world to disaster, because we are now moving towards complete collectivism, or socialism. A system under which everybody is enslaved to everybody, and we are moving that way only because of our altruist morality. — Marcus de Brun
Rand is entirely correct here. — Marcus de Brun
WHERE OR WHAT IS YOUR CRITICISM? I hear only the usual grunting of from the herd! — Marcus de Brun
I find Ayn Rand makes a lot of false claims in her work or claims she does not support or that are easily questioned.
For example in "The Virtue Ethics" she says:
"The physical sensation of pleasure is a signal indicating that the organism is pursuing the right course of action"
For a start this, is causally implausible it is unlikely that what is good for us and what is pleasurable would be the same thing because that would be bizarre coincidence.
We know this isn't the case, because of cases of addiction and obesity and excess leading to ill health which are pleasure seeking activities.
There are lots of actions that are good for us that are not pleasurable.It is rather displeasure that causes us to improve our condition pleasure can lead to complacency and sloth or obesity. Painful physical exertion or surgeries can lead to improved health.
People who don't experience any pain are in more physical danger than people who don't experience pleasure as is recorded in cases of people with congenital pain defect. So it is pain avoidance rather than pleasure seeking that aids survival and flourishing.
"CIP is an extremely dangerous condition.[1] It is common for people with the condition to die in childhood due to injuries or illnesses going unnoticed"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain
Then there are Depressive Realism findings where depressed people on average make more realistic judgements than happy people. — Andrew4Handel
Is this a discussion of Rand or Social welfare states? — Marcus de Brun
She points to the failure of socialism to foster intellectual independence and personal freedom. Freedom in the truly American or Thoreauian sense is her objective, not the end of socialism. She is perfectly correct to call for the revision of socialism when it impinges upon freedom of the Howard Roark variety. — Marcus de Brun
I happen to live in one and am very fond of socialism. — Marcus de Brun
"The physical sensation of pleasure is a signal indicating that the organism is pursuing the right course of action" — Andrew4Handel
And that's much more qualified than what she said. I can only go on the quote given. — Baden
In a general sense she is entirely true and this is the cornerstone of Epicurean philosophy. — Marcus de Brun
I would be pretty concerned, however, if he were suddenly in charge of the Fed and felt inspired to make decisions about monetary policy based on his exclusive dedication to Pirsig's philosophy. — John Doe
An organisms life depends on two factors: The material or fuel which it needs from the outside,and the action of it's own body, the action of using that fuel properly
Rand is entirely correct here. — Marcus de Brun
Rand is completely correct here. Democracy is not perfect. — Marcus de Brun
WHERE OR WHAT IS YOUR CRITICISM? — Marcus de Brun
After all, are her views really any worse than the gibberish from the likes of Kant, Marx, — LD Saunders
As with most philosophical assertions this is one that you actually agree with yourself. — Marcus de Brun
Rand's genius is that she creates the uncompromising alternative of a celebration of the self, as a counter argument to the success that is associated with material wealth. — Marcus de Brun
Rand's genius is that she creates the uncompromising alternative of a celebration of the self, as a counter argument to the success that is associated with material wealth.
— Marcus de Brun
Where is your evidence of this? The pursuit of wealth is based on self love. — Andrew4Handel
The love of wealth is the veil of self loathing. — Marcus de Brun
Thoreau would have said the same as what Rand has asserted here. — Marcus de Brun
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