It looks to me that the court will find against the government, but may take a less controversial route, that of it was unlawful to Proroge due to the loss of bills in process and the inability for parliament to legislate and hold the executive to account for more time than necessary during a time critical political crisis. Rather than that Johnson mislead the Queen. — Punshhh
Yes, there should have been more detail, or follow up on what kind of Brexit the people want and I think a super majority of 60%. As soon as one looks into this, the means of using a referendum to decide these things rapidly becomes problematic, or divisive. Which leads into my other point "the view of the people". I agree that the way I put it "the view of the people is not of importance in democracy" might give the impression to the populous that it sounds as though the democracy doesn't serve the people. But the way in which I use it is as part of a philosophical discussion amongst people who have a more intellectual grasp of the issues we are discussing.The in-out question was too simple, as has become all too obvious in the 3 years since
I don't know the US scene, but isnt Trump the guarantor of all the male white-collar industrial jobs that globalism and immigration threaten? Hence trade wars to defend US companies. — Tim3003
Uhh...no. Trump and nuclear weapons isn't an issue. Trump is simply such an inept leader that he simply cannot do such trouble. And what is rarely mentioned is that Trump supporters don't like the neocons and the hawks in Washington — ssu
Trump and republican talking heads are willing to deny taped statements, be completely self-contradictory and make no plausible "truthiness theater" (which Republicans, pre-Trump, would at least go through the motions of; so Trump is a not straying too far from Republican strategy and intellectual honesty, but it is a new phase where intellectual honesty is no longer even a "pretend value" but openly mocked). — boethius
l mentioned Pr because we are in a position of constitutional crisis and weaknesses in the system have become apparent. I realise that constitutional reform is a challenge, and that it should not be done now, but looked at when the dust settles.That should only be brought in if it wins in a referendum. We don't need another referendum on it, I'd say. The results would probably be more or less the same as last time. I would vote against it if given the option
My fear is that democracy is thus dying beneath the weight of politicians whose strategy is the exploitation of the ignorant. — Tim3003
https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.htmlJudgment hand-down 24 September 2019 10:30 Courtroom 1
The Supreme Court has now heard the two prorogation-related judicial review cases. These took place between 17 and 19 September 2019.
The judgment hand-down will take place on 24 September at 10:30 in Courtroom 1.
Live coverage of the judgment hand-down can be watched online via Supreme Court Live.
Both the judgment and full video on demand coverage of the Court sittings can be found online via one of the following links:
R (on the application of Miller) (Appellant) v The Prime Minister (Respondent)Cherry and others (Respondents) v Advocate General for Scotland (Appellant) (Scotland)
Hey the Labor party seems to have gotten itself into a right pickle. Going on what I'm reading here in Oz, they're tearing themselves to pieces over Brexit at the Conference, and Corbyn has abysmal poll ratings. It's such a shame - if only there was an alternative leader to seize the moment, but I'm afraid Corbyn's not it. — Wayfarer
Hey the Labor party seems to have gotten itself into a right pickle. Going on what I'm reading here in Oz, they're tearing themselves to pieces over Brexit at the Conference, and Corbyn has abysmal poll ratings. It's such a shame - if only there was an alternative leader to seize the moment, but I'm afraid Corbyn's not it. — Wayfarer
Let's hope neither of these situations are ever tested, but I think it's unwise to minimize it; it can of course be discussed further, my purpose here was simply to compare the stakes in Brexit with the Trump presidency (there's lot's of other examples of "large gap in stakes").
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