This is the rise of populism in the UK. Very sad. Nietzsche spoke of 'slave morality', which unlike 'master morality' is not driven by lofty aims and theorems, but expediency. The ignorant Brexiteer masses don't care about the law or constitution, they just want out of the EU, and as Boris has chosen to champion that simplistic end they support him; thus he's won back hard-line ex-Tories from the Brexit party. — Tim3003
It might not, but are we able to really answer your question? How are the Brexiteers depicted in the UK?Though it's a truism on the left that Brexit mirrors Trumpianism, and there are similar issues for sure, I am not yet ready to give the British so little credit as to be in a Trumpian level delusion — boethius
For instance, to contrast to Trump, Trump supporters have almost zero expectations of what Trump will do other than continue to be Trump. The few places where Trump supporters want delivery, Trump has a lot of power to deliver: crack down on immigrants. — boethius
Whereas for BJ, if the expectation is to deliver Brexit in a way that's "good for the economy", and he doesn't deliver (Brexit doesn't happen or then hard Brexit happens and his supporters are surprised things don't improve), will his support continue? — boethius
Imagine that: the “ignorant Brexiteer masses” want what they voted for. That seems to me such a strange concept nowadays, especially given the refusal to deliver the results and the routine snobbery and fear mongering that justifies its disruption. — NOS4A2
The people voted otherwise. — NOS4A2
The dichotomy here is not between the elites and the masses. The masses are split down the middle and so are the elites. And when an argument is as easy to parody as yours, that's a good indication it's a bad argument. (See again below).
Sure, and when I give you 48% of my money, I keep it all to myself and you get nothing.
It might not, but are we able to really answer your question? How are the Brexiteers depicted in the UK? — ssu
Brexit and Trump are phenomena were the left simply lost and things didn't go as planned for the ruling elite. — ssu
You'd be more convincing if you made at least a minimal effort to recognize the nuances of the situation. I'm not sure what purpose your posts serve otherwise. Anyway, carry on.
But the double standards are noted. — NOS4A2
I’m well aware of that. It’s amazing how long it has taken. It truly is a scar on the face of democracy. — NOS4A2
The fear is about what happens after, and they are reasonable fears from what I tell, which is why a majority of UK politicians are trying to prevent it and why the EU is calling BJ's bluff.
Let's say both with Brexit and in the GOP primaries things didn't go as planned. At least the Democrats could handle the somewhat similar revolt by containing the popular Bernie Sanders, but the Republican party didn't and Trump's win came especially to Trump as a surprise (which is evident from his pre-election night posturing). Same thing with Brexit: those who issued the referendum in the first place were endorsing the "remain camp" and got a nasty surprise. That the left lost simply comes from the fact that there's no dispute what the leanings of the Trump supporters and Brexiteers are. Now populism can get a stranglehold on the left too, but this time it's right-wing populism.It is not simple, partly for reasons that are even contained in your statement: both the left and the ruling elite lost!? — boethius
Indeed it's a new phenomena, I agree with that.Trump and Brexit are not "simple losses" for the left, they are a new kind of political phenomena (in our political time at least). — boethius
Uhh...no. Trump and nuclear weapons isn't an issue. Trump is simply such an inept leader that he simply cannot do such trouble. And what is rarely mentioned is that Trump supporters don't like the neocons and the hawks in Washington. He hasn't leashed yet out against Iraq, and there is no push for a new war inside Washington DC. Iran is a difficult enemy, it's not Syria, Libya or Saddam's weakened Iraq.Brexit is also simply not as high stakes as Trump; leaving the EU isn't remotely on the same level as putting a person like Trump in charge of nuclear weapons — boethius
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