That's a first. You typically take the less serious and more vague route when the questions get tough.I was taking your post seriously; — Banno
You often insult others that don't think the way you do and therefore don't treat others in a "dignified" manner. Why shouldn't you be aborted? You say sentience is a requirement, yet the second-trimester fetus has sentience. — Harry Hindu
So I wouldn't be able to point to some post of yours where you don't treat another member in a dignified manner?That's a pretty pathetic pronouncement, even by your standards. You are not worth the effort, Harry. Especially as you pretty much agree with my stated position. — Banno
If you condemn a child to a life of unwanted unhappiness in this dreadful society, you are surely evil beyond serious belief, at least to those who know something about what happens to children. — iolo
Yes, wholeheartedly I am agreeing. But, I am saying that the moral solution is not to kill the child as some sort of act of mercy, but to heal the parents who make the child's life misery. As I mentioned, the problem is systemic, and authorities being uneducated and ignorant of the causes, unable to discern right from wrong, thereby using their power to oppose true justice, are empowering the evil to thrive upon the world — Serving Zion
Eggs and sperm don’t have a potential for anything in particular. — Congau
A fetus at its earliest stage already contains all the data of the fully developed human being. The potential is real and specific. — Congau
If you think it’s wrong to murder people because you think they are valuable in themselves, it would also be wrong to kill potential people. — Congau
Potentiality is no less valuable then actuality since what is actually existing also derives its value from its potential for continued existence. — Congau
I appreciate this approach. Too many defend abortion by saying it's a matter of women's rights. That argument is similar to that of Southern slave owners who defended slavery by insisting it was a matter a state's rights.
If slavery is immoral, no one has a right to own another person. If abortion is immoral, no woman has a right to have one. — frank
I appreciate this approach. Too many defend abortion by saying it's a matter of women's rights. That argument is similar to that of Southern slave owners who defended slavery by insisting it was a matter a state's rights.
If slavery is immoral, no one has a right to own another person. If abortion is immoral, no woman has a right to have one.
— frank
How is the argument substantively similar? The mother is a person, and personal rights can conflict. — Echarmion
The similarity is that Southern states were insisting on the right to engage in an activity that's immoral. Were they right to make that claim? (don't read any emotion into my question, I'm just asking). — frank
This is where you and I have fundamental difference in philosophy, — Serving Zion
...you have believed me to be someone quite different from who I am, — Serving Zion
I am simply asking you to explain why you take the commandment that says "eating shellfish is detestable for you" and then say that it is a commandment of morality. — Serving Zion
So aborting a pregnancy is immoral (in the same way homicide is), but under certain circumstances it's ok? — frank
Why shouldn't you be aborted? — Harry Hindu
I said: if abortion is immoral, a woman cant have the right to do it.
And you disagree with that because to you, morality is dynamic and resistant to generalization. Honestly, it sounds like you're a moral nihilist. Or relativist? — frank
So, you would redo my statement as:
It's impossible to state as a general rule that x is immoral. Therefore, morality cant have any bearing on rights, civil or otherwise. Is that right? — frank
where my stance was confusing to you both? — Echarmion
I am not up to date on the biology, — Echarmion
I just think where you draw the line is a question of how you value the interests of the foetus compared to those of the mother. — Echarmion
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