You seem to be suggesting that a blastocyst should be regarded as a cyst, and the name "cyst" means it is something that ideally should not exist in the body. I will look to identify why you should regard a blastocyst as distinct from a cyst (Eg: everyone has been a blastocyst, but no cyst has become a living person). — Serving Zion
There's no arguing with that level of rationality. — Banno
Why are you talking about cysts? — frank
The thing that gets aborted looks just like a tiny human... because it is. — frank
We have to wait until there is a fetus. — frank
Most discussions about abortion (e.g., this discussion) eventually lead to questions regarding the legality of preventing the blastocyst from being embedded in the endometrium. Hence the discussion about "cysts".Why are you talking about cysts? — frank
FWIW, I consider life to have begun before fertilisation (ie: sperm is alive). — Serving Zion
Most discussions about abortion (e.g., this discussion) eventually lead to questions regarding the legality of preventing the blastocyst from being embedded in the endometrium. Hence the discussion about "cysts". — EricH
What more is humanity than a squiggling fungus — frank
Moreover", it is a "squiggling fungus" that found the perfect opportunity to thrive! — Serving Zion
That appears to be a concession. — Serving Zion
Exactly so, as with the egg. Therefore, no new life created. Let us now forever dispense with that leg of the argument.(ie: sperm is alive). — Serving Zion
You confuse human beings and human tissue. — Banno
I don't see that an unfertilised egg is alive. The statement is still true though, there is no new life created in conception. The life is in the seed.Exactly so, as with the egg. Therefore, no new life created. Let us now forever dispense with that leg of the argument. — tim wood
I don't see that an unfertilised egg is alive. — Serving Zion
Ad hominum is pointless (and disgraceful). If you think I need to learn something, give me information to consider. — Serving Zion
The unfertilized egg and the sperm have about the same status in terms of life. They each carry 1/2 the chromosomes needed for a whole human. The sperm is more like pollen than a seed. — frank
Human egg, dead or alive? — tim wood
is your understanding of sexual reproduction c. 350 BCE? — tim wood
c. Aristotle. Without checking, I think Aristotle's idea of reproduction was that the male contribution was everything and the female just a carrier. For you to suppose the egg is not alive puts you back there.c. 350 BCE?
— tim wood
What is significant about that date, that you chose it? — Serving Zion
I would love to see how people's position on this topic fits with their philosophical idea of "becoming". How does the topic of abortion and the topic of becoming get integrated into a coherent worldview? — Harry Hindu
I haven't seen anything on this discussion about the mother's role in this matter. Women get abortions for a whole host of reasons. — Reagan
I haven't done that, the confusion is your doing. I have acknowledged life present in various stages of growth. Are you suggesting that a blastocyst is not alive? — Serving Zion
That, again, is your doing, not mine.Your argument is poorly drawn. — Banno
I have done so, according to my own expectations. If it is insufficient for you, yours is the responsibility to seek clarification, as I note you have proceeded to do:Set it out so it can be seen. — Banno
Good fact.A blood cell from your veins would be human, but not a human being. — Banno
A conscious entity's experience of life produces an intrinsic value for it's own life, according to the prospect of the alternative/s. Therefore morality considers the living entity's intrinsic right of life whenever there is a cause for complaint that its rights of life have been transgressed. So wherever the taking of its natural right is immoral, the cost of not supporting its life should be considered too great.It is alive - at what cost must it be kept alive? — Banno
Sometimes it is, sometimes isn't.Bleeding kills blood cells - is it therefor immoral? — Banno
Nothing, because a blastocyt's intrinsic right of life is entitled to the same considerations by a judge of morality, as a blood cell.What is it about the blastocyst that makes it worthy of preservation, in a way that blood cels are not? — Banno
I haven't seen that my presentation is inconsistent, so I really am not able to acknowledge that such a question can be answered.Can you present your position in a way that is consistent? — Banno
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