Then what are you actually saying with an argument, if not making the case for the fact of some state-of-affairs? — Harry Hindu
Premises and conclusions are true (or false). Arguments are valid (or invalid). — Michael
Why not just sticky this thread. Everyone should bear witness to the fact that Baden is "right". — Harry Hindu
At the point at which you're wrangling over fallacies, you haven't even made it out of the gate of interesting. — StreetlightX
Unlikely, but that's my point. At the point at which you're wrangling over fallacies, you haven't even made it out of the gate of interesting. — StreetlightX
Do you not see the irresponsibility of suggesting we not be bothered with insight just because someone built a nest of fallacies? — TheWillowOfDarkness
That's not philosophically interesting, I'm wrangling over something I shouldn't be, I'm overlooking gems, I'm not trying to ascertain whether there's any truth to their claim, I'm being obnoxious, childish, patronising, overbearing, stupid, middlebrow, and all the rest of it? — S
The point at stake isn't whether they've reasoned perfectly, it's whether they understand what is true. You have a responsibility to care what is true, to reject their truth claim for good reason, rather than just because their argument failed to follow some rules. You can't just be lazy and reject their claim is true because they haven't followed a particular rule of logical inference.
(this also means Burden Of Proof is out as an objection, as someone failing to present evidence or show a truth in their argument doesn't actually give us a reason to think their claim is false). — TheWillowOfDarkness
I always follow the herd so I disagree too. — praxis
Prominently pinning the basics may give the impression that this forum is for people who need to be shown the basics and not for people who know the basics (and could offer better and more interesting content), signaling to them that they should go elsewhere. — praxis
Doubt is the problem, it's no reason for taking any position. — TheWillowOfDarkness
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