The ethical authority has a specific role of exposing the pupil to moral thought/belief. Other than indoctrinating, and then judging the pupil, the work of ethical authority is done. Ethical authority represents absolute right - it has nothing else to prove. — Merkwurdichliebe
A general rule of behavioural thumb. — creativesoul
Some ethical authorities do not frame ethics in terms of absolute right/wrong. — creativesoul
I'm hypothesizing that, in a given relation, it is impossible to be both ethical authority and ethical pupil at the same time. Or am I overlooking the possibility that we are both ethical pupil and ethical authority at all times? — Merkwurdichliebe
Wouldn't the ethical authority, who believed in relative morality, talk to the ethical pupil about the relativism of morality as though it were absolute? Or, would they say that relative morality is relative too, and as viable as absolute morality? — Merkwurdichliebe
What do the notions of relative morality and absolute morality add to the discussion? — creativesoul
They've yet to have been breached. Perhaps it is time. For robustness' sake. — creativesoul
However, while internalization requires it sensory perception alone is not enough for internalization as I suspect it is being used here. — creativesoul
Internalizing a pre-existing morality results in one's moral 'feelings'.
These are involuntarily experienced during certain situations that are morally relevant to that particular person's worldview(morality). — creativesoul
If both pupil and teacher are moral agents, and it is impossible to be both ethical authority and ethical pupil at the same time, then moral agents can be both. The ethical pupil can be a moral agent. The ethical teacher can be a moral agent. — creativesoul
If ethical existence is represented by a circle, individual morality would be represented by a dot in the center. — Merkwurdichliebe
How would you define "ethical existence"? — Terrapin Station
We need this new reporting to dovetail with the previously established groundwork. — creativesoul
The adoption of moral principle is founded on intellectual assessment. Appropriation implies that moral thought/belief is founded upon a pre-existing framework of thought/belief about the world. How one appropriates morality is uniquely affected by one's world view. — Merkwurdichliebe
The adoption of moral principle can happen during language acquisition. Intellectual assessment cannot. — creativesoul
Internalizing morality means appropriating it in thought/belief as one's personal morality. It results in moral thought/belief not feeling/intuition. I would say moral feeling/intuition only comes into play when one witnesses an ethically charged situation. And, feeling/intuition becomes most pertinent in certain ethically charged situations that directly involve me - when I become the decisive factor.
(speaking extemporaneously) — Merkwurdichliebe
All sorts of different thought/belief can become internalized. They become operative in the sense that they themselves have efficacy. — creativesoul
What is commonly called a conscience is the manifestation of past internalizations. Thought/belief is being internalized. It can be about one's self and/or about others. Internalizing a pre-existing morality results in one's moral 'feelings'. These are involuntarily experienced during certain situations that are morally relevant to that particular person's worldview(morality). — creativesoul
There's nothing new here though. Everyone internalizes all sorts of other people's thought/belief. — creativesoul
The collective conscience is the product of the collective group of people all internalizing the same moral(s) and/or sharing the same moral thought/belie — creativesoul
As a side, what does it mean when moral feeling/intuition results in behavior that contradicts one's moral thought/belief?
The adoption of moral principle can happen during language acquisition. Intellectual assessment cannot.
— creativesoul
I would go so far as to say the adoption of moral principle depends upon language acquisition, whereas assessment does not. All language that is acquired contains preexisting assessments of the world. — Merkwurdichliebe
There seems to be some preconceived notion at work in your reporting. What is a moral principle if not thought/belief about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour? — creativesoul
So then you agree that not all adoption of moral principle is founded upon intellectual assessment? — creativesoul
Not all moral thought/belief is judgment. And, that didn't answer the question... — creativesoul
If intellectual assessment is a primary function of linguistic thought/belief, I don't see how moral thought/belief cannot be founded upon it. — Merkwurdichliebe
If all moral thought/belief is about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour, then it necessarily is about judgement. — Merkwurdichliebe
It is time to review our previous talk on morality and prelinguistic thought/belief. I thought we had come to enough agreement to move on to sociological factors, but apparently not. — Merkwurdichliebe
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