You have no existential stake in the argument. — thewonder
thewonder is a good person here and keeps the discussions going, plus he is being forthright. — PoeticUniverse
There can be degrees of 'problems' with the masculinization of the brain. All embryos begin as female. — PoeticUniverse
They aren't fringe beliefs in this regard, though. Being "queer" is not synonymous with being "homosexual". "Homosexuals" are just often called "queers" in a pejorative sense. Queer Theory can be summarized as being a radical reconceptualization of sexuality and gender. It is related to Gay and Lesbian Studies, but is not synonymous with them. — thewonder
They aren't fringe beliefs in this regard, though. Being "queer" is not synonymous with being "homosexual". "Homosexuals" are just often called "queers" in a pejorative sense. Queer Theory can be summarized as being a radical reconceptualization of sexuality and gender. It is related to Gay and Lesbian Studies, but is not synonymous with them. — thewonder
Au contraire! I have posited that what being "queer" means is that you generally accept something along the lines of that gender is performative and that sexuality is fluid as per Queer Theory. This does not necessarily imply that a person has to be a homosexual in order to be queer. — thewonder
Sorry, you can't be queer if you're not a homosexual. And you can't be a feminist if you are a man. And you can't be a black power advocate if you're white. You can be a white, straight, man who tries to be sympathetic and respectful of black, gay, and female people, but it's disrespectful and creepy to claim more than that. — T Clark
Au contraire! I have posited that what being "queer" means is that you generally accept something along the lines of that gender is performative and that sexuality is fluid as per Queer Theory. This does not necessarily imply that a person has to be a homosexual in order to be queer. — thewonder
However, there is nothing in the meaning of feminism or black power advocation which precludes males or whites, nor should there be in the case of feminism especially, which is all about gender equality. — S
If someone wants to be a fucking genderqueer blue wolf who uses "zem" pronouns why the hell do you care. — fdrake
Examples of the Problems:
Each one of us loves his mother.
The writer must carefully proofread what he writes.
All men are created equal.
Let’s ask each of the poets what he thinks is his best work.
Let everyone ask himself to consider the problem of the lack of the epicene pronoun.
Man, being a mortal, breast feeds his young.
... — PoeticUniverse
But they won’t have a chance of getting used if they don’t sound right. — PoeticUniverse
Don't agree. You don't have to be a feminist to believe in gender equality. — T Clark
For a man to call himself a feminist is to try to coopt for himself whatever power and authority comes with that word. A lot of times it's also a way of avoiding personal guilt for gender conditions. Just the same for race. — T Clark
That's kind of in line with me not caring for conventions of etiquette in general. If you're going to have a problem with me not using the "right" silverware, not eating in the "right" order, not following some arbitrary set of ritualistic behavior, etc., then you'd probably better not hang out with me. You can do whatever you want and I won't give you a hard time about it. But I'm going to do the same thing, and I expect you to not give me a hard time about it, too. — Terrapin Station
I just don't understand the need to care so much about this. Why are so many people pedants when it comes to inventing pronouns when:
"humba wumba shlumba dumbha, these sounds even in the haze"
"Twas brillig and the slithy toves..."
"embiggen" — fdrake
If you don't care about etiquette in general this is a deeper problem than just apparently bollocks pronouns, sis. — fdrake
I actually think that everyone is queer, however. Identifying as such is also a partial means to promote the theory which I see as being mostly positive. — thewonder
Imagine if I exclusively decided to refer to you as "she" or "her" in a demeaning sexist sense. Terrapin Station made a comment. She is totally off of her rocker. You would, at first, probably ignore this as you would consider yourself to be someone who is above engaging in such a discourse, but would probably eventually be bothered by it enough to address me with why it is that you don't think that I should do that. — thewonder
There is no claim that you attest by making an argument. — thewonder
You aren't of a marginalized position — thewonder
don't need to stake your existence — thewonder
A person who is queer has to contend the validity of their being — thewonder
A person who identifies as being queer does have to contend that Queer Theory is valid.That's just nonsense, though. First off, "validity" doesn't apply to "being." — Terrapin Station
If you were to engage in a debate with an Arab Muslim over Islam, then they would have more of an existential stake in the debate. The hegemony of Western culture does not deny your right to exist. You don't really have anything to lose by engaging in the debate. The other perspective has more 'weight' to it or something. It doesn't mean that they're right. It just means that they have more of an existential stake in the debate. — thewonder
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