Yo dude calm down man! — 3017amen
Biblical stories are about all of us.
Were you afraid when you went to school? Of what? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Try that and let me know when and where you succeed in changing a recalcitrant and obtuse religious mind. I have asked this of many like you and am still waiting to see a result. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I have seen too many nice guys get shit on more than I do. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
And again, take a chill pill it might do you some good! — 3017amen
loss and humiliation is the path to knowledge. — Possibility
If the response I get is silence, I’d say I’m making inroads. — Possibility
I’m not so afraid to get shit on anymore. It’s no reason to communicate hatred, anger or violence, in my book. — Possibility
the activity of the reciprocation of bestowal and reception in perpetuity
Would a good god kill or cure corrupted souls? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I find that Adam tried to blame his own iniquity on the woman. He was asked a question by god regarding his own conduct, and he could have either taken responsibility for his own decision/action or scapegoated the problem onto the woman who handed him the fruit. He chose to scapegoat the problem onto the woman.
In modern day I see this as men who blame women for their inability to control themselves (ie. when a woman is raped it is her fault). The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is taken here as the sexual reproductive organ and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as sex. — A Gnostic Agnostic
Because man is the archetypal bestower, women are the archetypal receiver such that all transactions good and evil are bestowed by the man (either good or evil) to the woman. — A Gnostic Agnostic
Given the number of Christians that run from me due to not being able to justify their immoral views, I would say I am a great success then.
Cowards can never be moral. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Even here. I argue hard to win while hoping to lose and thus actually gain something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTN9Nx8VYtk&feature=youtu.be — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I find it amusing how a story with a naked man and woman must be about sex. There’s exegesis, and then there’s apologetics...
Adam said his actions were caused by Eve’s actions, and Eve said her actions were caused by the serpent’s behaviour. All three were ‘punished’ in their own way. Why single out Adam’s culpability or scapegoating here? Oh, wait -
Seriously? In modern day? I realise that it may sound like you’re sympathetic to the woman’s position here, but trust me when I say you’re a long way off. Adam is not the only one here responsible for their decision/action.
Personally, I find it very difficult to liken this story to a rape situation - unless you portray the woman as an empty, passive receptacle being enacted on by all other characters. Is that really how you see women?
unless you portray the woman as an empty, passive receptacle being enacted on by all other characters. Is that really how you see women?
This is exactly how the religion of Islam (ie. Muhammad) views women. If a woman is raped in Islam, it is her fault as the man blames her for what she was wearing, or how she was eating a banana etc. The men who blame/shame women for their own iniquity is what is evil - and they take the kingdom of heaven by force, because they can not get it any other way. — A Gnostic Agnostic
You see, a reader is supposed to use their own conscience and put themselves in the perspective of Adam. You ate from the tree. God is asking you if you ate from the tree. What is your response?
Adam could have taken responsibility and not brought the woman in and all, or he could have blamed the woman. What would have happened if he took responsibility? — A Gnostic Agnostic
Sorry, but this is deflection. Stop using the example of Islam to paint yourself as the ‘good’ guy. The religion of Islam is no more ‘evil’ than Christianity. This story is not a response to Islam.
The religion of Islam is no more ‘evil’ than Christianity.
Again, deflection. As a woman, I don’t put myself in the perspective of Adam - so what would you say is the story’s message for me?
This is not a story where the reader is meant to ask himself: Do I blame/shame or protect women? If it were, then we wouldn’t have to wonder what would have happened if he took responsibility.
This is a story where we are to look at the situation we’re in, and ask: where we would like to be in our relationship with God (however we understand the concept)? We can’t wish to be unaware of our fragile selves interacting with the world - we can’t un-eat the fruit, and we’re past pointing the finger of blame. Whatever we suffer, we’ve brought on ourselves, whether God is a ‘being’ or not.
So we cannot ignore our relationship with the physical world, but we should really be paying more attention to - and seeking to connect and collaborate with - what we don’t yet understand about the universe. Whether we call it God or Gnosis or something else is irrelevant. It exists, and it has much to teach us, if we’re humble and courageous enough to learn.
You correctly identified what you are yourself doing: deflecting (away from Islam). — A Gnostic Agnostic
If you're a woman who is unable to put yourself in the perspective of a man, that is a limitation you have. The whole point is Adam and Eve can see past each others own limitations which is how they grow together. — A Gnostic Agnostic
It is not about ignoring the physical, it is about transcending it, which is precisely what spirituality is. — A Gnostic Agnostic
This is the temptation: Eve gives the fruit to Adam. the lower organ commands the higher organ, which should be the other way around. — A Gnostic Agnostic
I’m simply querying the relevance of Islam to the text.
Don’t worry, I’m certainly able to - but when there is the perspective of a woman in the text, I often choose not to - and I shouldn’t have to reject the perspective of a woman in order to not be ‘limited’. I should ask if you are able to put yourself in the perspective of a woman - if you were, then you wouldn’t be writing about women in this way...
This I agree with.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m in agreeance with much of the Gnostic viewpoint in general. But when you declare this an interpretation ‘in modern day’, then I have to call hatred, oppression and bias as I see it. Between you and GCB, I have to say, it’s not a favourable impression of Gnosticism in practice.
Islam is relevant to everything...Islam is not a solution to peace, it is the problem to peace. — A Gnostic Agnostic
I am wondering why you are reluctant to try to understand from both the man and woman's perspective? — A Gnostic Agnostic
Well, if one is looking for hatred, oppression and bias, one may want to look towards the House of Islam, because that is where much of it is coming from. — A Gnostic Agnostic
According to the Book, Adam and Eve were punished with mortality and other ugly stuff after they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. — TheMadFool
is God immoral? — LNH
God didn't evict/banish Adam & Eve from the Garden of Eden because A & E wanted/gained power, not because A & E wanted/gained knowledge per se, but because A & E now had knowledge of ethics (good & evil). That means, God doesn't have an issue with humans being omnipotent or omniscient but he draws the line with omnibenevolence. What gives? — Agent Smith
Knowledge of good and evil is not knowledge of ethics - it’s simply awareness of their own capacity for judgement, without any experience or subsequent understanding of the world. It’s like crowning a two year old as king. — Possibility
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