Much as from a cultural perspective with or without specifically invoking "religion" most would find that monogamy is superior to polygamy or 3rd world marital practices (often associated with ills such as lack of legal rights for women, child marriages, and things of that nature). — IvoryBlackBishop
The natural birthrate being roughly 50/50, that by definition leaves a number of male incels, unless you limit the polygamy to the ruler only. And as I pointed out, male incels are source of aggression and instability i a society. You don´t want large amount of testosterone sloshing around, if you want stability.From societal perspective, monogamy is preferred, for it promotes stability. Of course andriarchies are stable too, when the ruling male has a stable of wifes and concubines. That's a form of polygamy. — god must be atheist
Sure, that the personal perspective. Obviously, you are male. We can´t escape our bioloFrom a personal perspective, polygamy or philandering, is preferred because you have a chance to produce offspring which has a chance to propagate your genes (the basic idea behind procreation). — god must be atheist
Even then, as per the higher mental wants notion, I don't totally buy that, I honestly believe any male who "has" to be a virgin is a pretty rare phenomenon, and that in the case of 'incels' it's some type of mania or mental disturbance (e.x. such as thinking he's entitled to marry Hollywood actresses instead of a more 'ordinary' girl' or whatnot). — IvoryBlackBishop
On this one, as far as getting tired of the other person goes, can you elaborate more? Is it something purely 'physical', such as a desire to have sex with more women or 'newer' women, or is it related to personality, characteristics, getting along or having common interests, or things of that nature? — IvoryBlackBishop
For that matter, not every man or woman has the same 'sex drive' — IvoryBlackBishop
The natural birthrate being roughly 50/50, that by definition leaves a number of male incels, unless you limit the polygamy to the ruler only. And as I pointed out, male incels are source of aggression and instability i a society. You don´t want large amount of testosterone sloshing around, if you want stability. — Nobeernolife
Homosexuality. That takes care of 15% of the overflow of testosterone. Natural homosexuality. — god must be atheist
In practice, it's a subjective decision and innate. — IvoryBlackBishop
The main ethics would be the notion of 'hooking up', especially as a lifestyle goal, even if one doesn't specifically invoke 'religion', generally monogamy is viewed as better ideal, and one which isn't rife with potential sensationalist media controversies which make rounds on the media as of late. (The cultural and legal philosophies surrounding monogamy as an ideal in 1st world countries as opposed to polygamy or 'hooking' up).
One that on, arguments will tend to either take the vein of it being 'using' one or the other person (generally the woman), or the other extreme, in which such an attitude is archaic, anti-intellectual and anti-feminist, and treating a woman (or men) like a helpless child who as a consenting adult can't or shouldn't choose who she has sex with. — IvoryBlackBishop
So again, this falls back on the monogamy argument, and how most relationship desires aren't reducible solely to the biological or purely 'physical', but are predicated on higher mental wants and institutions which make a 1st world country or civilization possible.
(For example, using birth control or "not cheating" on your spouse or partner, would be conscious mental or intentional efforts or goals which may ironically run contrary to the purely 'biological' ones, given that couples may still want to 'have sex' even when they're using birth control and the primary goal is physical intimacy rather than 'survival and procreation', or may decide not to cheat or have an affair, even though the "sex drive" does not distinguish between a man or woman one is married to, or physically attractive stranger, rather the mind does). — IvoryBlackBishop
Then your ideal living situation should be a fundamentalist Mormon compound in which 1st world luxuries such as... literacy, are a rare find, and grown men having 10 kids each with their ten 14-year old wives, were they were engaged to at the age of 10, should be your ideal of "civilization" and progress.
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Basically, if the premise of your idea is that "civilization" is measured by sheer numbers or rates of procreation, sans any other legal, moral, cultural, or philosophical notions, to me that seems to be a bad overall measure of a "civilization" and as well as it's "existence" or cessation thereof could or should be measured. — IvoryBlackBishop
What are the living conditions in Africa (I'm assuming sub-Saharan parts of Africa where polygamy and child marriage are practices); why would you want to emulate that? This isn't just about "race" is it?I simply pointed out the biological foundation of our sex drive. And that society depends on people having children... ideally 2.1 per couple. And that couples (i.e. monogamy) are a better choice to organize society than polygamy. I did not claim that there is no individual variety and room to accomodate that.
But at the current birthrates of e.g. 1.3 (Italy) and 1.5 (Japan), compared to what, 8 in Africa, just random examples
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