I never "lauded" the articles you criticized — Baden
Good read. — Baden
Also, I (charitably, considering the context) expressed agnosticism on anti-semitic intentions. — Baden
"We did serious harm to our children and young adults who were robbed of their education, jobs and normal existence, as well as suffering damage to their future prospects, while they were left to inherit a record-breaking mountain of public debt...
"... We were mesmerised by the once-in-a-century scale of the emergency and succeeded only in making a crisis even worse. In short, we panicked. This was an epidemic crying out for a precision public health approach and it got the opposite."
— Professor Woolhouse, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at Edinburgh University, previously Scottish Covid-19 policy advisor
"The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared"
— Member of UK SAGE - wishing, quite rightly, to remain anonymous talking to the Telegraph
"implementation was often too harsh, too inflexible, too slow to adapt and too dismissive of basic rights...
"... the balance between the costs and benefits of lockdowns swung towards costs long before governments were willing to lift them.
"... Political calculation was never far from the surface of COVID-19 decisions. This had a negative effect on economic activity and national morale. Leaders routinely claimed to base policy on expert advice. It is true that some CHOs favoured harsher measures. But it became clear that experts (both within and outside government) often differed in their advice"
— Fault lines: An independent review into Australia’s response to COVID-19
"No strong reason against [masking children] in corridors etc, and no very strong reasons for. ...not worth an argument"
— Chis Whitty, UK Chief Medical Officer in leaked Whatsapp message
"In reality we haven’t found shielding easy or very effective first time round and I don’t think anyone else has either."
— Patrick Vallance, the UK chief scientific adviser in leaked Whatsapp message
"Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference"
— Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses
"A large study in the UK and another that surveyed people internationally found that people with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection experienced greater rates of side effects after vaccination. Among 2000 people who completed an online survey after vaccination, those with a history of covid-19 were 56% more likely to experience a severe side effect that required hospital care.
"Patrick Whelan, of UCLA, says the “sky high” antibodies after vaccination in people who were previously infected may have contributed to these systemic side effects. “Most people who were previously ill with covid-19 have antibodies against the spike protein. If they are subsequently vaccinated, those antibodies and the products of the vaccine can form what are called immune complexes,” he explains, which may get deposited in places like the joints, meninges, and even kidneys, creating symptoms.
"Other studies suggest that a two dose regimen may be counterproductive. One found that in people with past infections, the first dose boosted T cells and antibodies but that the second dose seemed to indicate an “exhaustion,” and in some cases even a deletion, of T cells. “I’m not here to say that it’s harmful,” says Bertoletti, who coauthored the study, “but at the moment all the data are telling us that it doesn’t make any sense to give a second vaccination dose in the very short term to someone who was already infected. Their immune response is already very high.”"
— https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101
"Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about... Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration"
— Dr. Kerryn Phelps, former chair of AMA
"Since the pandemic began, there have been just over 30,000 excess deaths involving heart disease - on average over 230 additional deaths a week above expected heart disease death rates.
"...Covid infections are no longer a driving force behind the excess heart disease death rate.
"...significant and widespread disruption to heart care services has driven the ongoing surge in excess deaths involving heart disease in England."
— British Heart Foundation
"The COVID-19 pandemic has reversed years of global progress in tackling tuberculosis and for the first time in over a decade, TB deaths have increased, according to the World Health Organization’s 2021 Global TB report.
"In 2020, more people died from TB, with far fewer people being diagnosed and treated or provided with TB preventive treatment compared with 2019, and overall spending on essential TB services falling.
"The first challenge is disruption in access to TB services and a reduction in resources. In many countries, human, financial and other resources have been reallocated from tackling TB to the COVID-19 response, limiting the availability of essential services.
"The second is that people have struggled to seek care in the context of lockdowns."
— World Health Organisation
...and in case anyone was thinking this was an unexpected side-effect...
"Even temporary disruptions can cause long-term increases in TB incidence and mortality. If lockdown-related disruptions cause a temporary 50% reduction in TB transmission, we estimated that a 3-month suspension of TB services, followed by 10 months to restore to normal, would cause, over the next 5 years, an additional 1⋅19 million TB cases (Crl 1⋅06–1⋅33) and 361,000 TB deaths (CrI 333–394 thousand) in India, 24,700 (16,100–44,700) TB cases and 12,500 deaths (8.8–17.8 thousand) in Kenya, and 4,350 (826–6,540) cases and 1,340 deaths (815–1,980) in Ukraine. The principal driver of these adverse impacts is the accumulation of undetected TB during a lockdown."
— The potential impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the tuberculosis epidemic a modelling analysis - The Lancet
... does that give any clues as to who might now be too embarrassed to comment retrospectively on how we handled the pandemic? — Isaac
Campbell is an idiot. — Benkei
Classy opening, by the way. Yea, I'm sure Campbell is the idiot here. :roll: — Tzeentch
Oh, that must be why the clinical trials of Novavax already showed "an increased risk of myocarditis". — Benkei
I hope he dies sooner rather than later. — Benkei
I'm not sure who you think you're fooling if you are seriously arguing this was all common knowledge when people were being vaccinated en masse. Yourself, perhaps? — Tzeentch
Why report on something that wasn't a risk? — Benkei
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.