Logic studies methods of reasoning — fdrake
Logic is the best way for reason to work. — Gregory
Logic cannot exist without reason but reason can exist without logic? — Antidote
If we use cause and effect to make sure we maintain order, then the correct order is thus, unless I'm being stupid...
Intuition which cannot be defined logically belongs to reason , or reason belongs to intuition because both of these can exist without logic. Therefore logic sits at the bottom of the cause and effect chain. We can remove logic without remove the others. — Antidote
We cannot remove the others without losing logic — Antidote
Firstly, I have to point out that I'm as dumb as a lump of wood, so I need things to be explained in as simple terms as possible, what is the difference between "reason" and "logic"? I ask this because the Ancient Greeks (Plato and the like) created logic, but when you look at the definitions of logic, they talk about "reason". Now, before Ancient Greek, there was no logic system in place because the Greeks hadn't come up with yet. However, the Egyptians had already built their pyramids by then, and "being the 1st wonder of the world" nothing has surpassed it. They also farmed land, etc etc.
Now, they were using the power of reason there, not logic. So can someone please help out a stupid person like me and draw up their thoughts? — Antidote
Citation?I'm possibly being simple here but there are fundamental differences between reason and logic. For instance, logic say,
A = B, therefore B = A
Logically this is sound, because logic is interested in sequence.
Reason, however, knows this is not true because reason is interested in Order. — Antidote
It seems likely to me that the person who asks such a reasonable and pertinent question about terms as confused in our tradition as these, is a thoughtful and perceptive person.Firstly, I have to point out that I'm as dumb as a lump of wood, so I need things to be explained in as simple terms as possible, what is the difference between "reason" and "logic"? I ask this because the Ancient Greeks (Plato and the like) created logic, but when you look at the definitions of logic, they talk about "reason". Now, before Ancient Greek, there was no logic system in place because the Greeks hadn't come up with yet. However, the Egyptians had already built their pyramids by then, and "being the 1st wonder of the world" nothing has surpassed it. They also farmed land, etc etc.
Now, they were using the power of reason there, not logic. So can someone please help out a stupid person like me and draw up their thoughts? — Antidote
It seems likely to me that the person who asks such a reasonable and pertinent question about terms as confused in our tradition as these, is a thoughtful and perceptive person. — Cabbage Farmer
It sounds to me that we are kindred spirits. I say similar things about myself, about conversations like these, and about the ignorance, error and confusion that comes naturally to things like us. Perhaps you've also been inspired by the example of Socrates?You give too much credit, I'm just a simple person and as such am prone to error like anyone else, so I state this from the off so people don't mistakenly think I am in possession of the truth (I'm just testing everything). I have a passion for Truth, not necessarily consensus, but actual truth in fact. There are errors in anything we do, and to be honest, this type of subject is more prone than any other so if I'm wrong, great because I get an education, but if not well then maybe fiction can be replaced by fact. — Antidote
A wonderful custom!I'm also aware how our language (spoken and written) can be misleading for all of us. The errors that it can produce are terrible, because it means someone may have the truth, and yet in the communication, the truth is lost and the false is accepted instead. So I try to be simple and baby steps all the time, to reduce error. My Dad would say to me, "KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid!" :)
But don't take my word for it, because I may have made a mistake. Some people want an argument, I don't. I want an answer and the facts. — Antidote
I'm strongly inclined to agree with you, Antidote. And by now I'm fairly certain that if you're as dumb as a stump, then I am too.The "Logic" system can be defined because it was created, so the rules are known. However, Reason doesn't seem to be the same. It seems to have a quality to it that is indefinable and yet it is considered less important than Logic, or worse they are considered the same. If this was an accident, it can be put right. If it was intentional, then that's something much worse (as in a deliberate error to mislead people, myself included). — Antidote
It sounds to me that we are kindred spirits. I say similar things about myself, about conversations like these, and about the ignorance, error and confusion that comes naturally to things like us. Perhaps you've also been inspired by the example of Socrates?
I agree that truth has priority over agreement. Nonetheless, I aim not only to seek the truth and speak the truth, but also to identify and expand consensus and common ground, in order to promote the common good.
It seems the search for common ground tends to direct my search for truth and the exercise of my critical powers in conversations like these. — Cabbage Farmer
this sort of practice helps us avoid flying off the handle and chasing our tails in confused discursive adventures — Cabbage Farmer
It seems to me that reason is the more basic and natural power in things like us. By contrast, logic seems a more artificial, arbitrary, and fragile custom that depends on a prior practice of reasoning. — Cabbage Farmer
I'm not sure to what extent our traditional confusion in such matters is the result of intentionally misleading gestures. It's not clear to me that there is an objective basis according to which we might sort out the motives and intentions of the authors — Cabbage Farmer
to be explained in as simple terms as possible, what is the difference between "reason" and "logic' — Antidote
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