When something first begins, there's likely a variety of similar existences all using the same method. Call it a playground of the Gods.
I'd be more understanding. I'd look at the 'playground' equally as i'd look at the Gods.
I'd realise I'm human, and not less than God - above God, made of the same nature. — wiyte
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sure what to say...you are moving all over the place rather than discussing a single issue.
— Frank Apisa
Well Frank, this subject is not for the faint of hearts. It's quite comprehensive. Think of it this way, virtually all domains of Philosophy invoke God. So, that didn't come from me, it came from Philosophy :gasp:
You seem to disagree.
If you are...tell me how either of those statements is NOT a blind guess.
— Frank Apisa
I'm trying to, you're not listening Frank. Let's start with this train of thought:
If I tell you I saw God, or had a religious experience, would you believe me? If I read that someone saw God in a history book, or had a religious experience in a history book, should I believe them? What if the teacher teaches me, a something; is that true? — 3017amen
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Frank!
What's the problem, I thought we were engaging in discursive debate? I hope you are not acquiescing by silence/not answering my questions concerning belief... . — 3017amen
You seem to disagree. — Frank Apisa
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You seem to disagree.
— Frank Apisa
Yes. I disagree. Please see my response and follow-up query. Are you not able to debate those? — 3017amen
I am asking why you think either or both of those statements are NOT just blind guesses. — Frank Apisa
If I tell you I saw God, or had a religious experience, would you believe me? If I read that someone saw God in a history book, or had a religious experience in a history book, should I believe them? What if the teacher teaches me, a something; is that true? — 3017amen
The point is, if you did not experience any of those things, what would compel another uninterested person to believe, or think, or infer, that those experiences were a result of some sense of Deity? — 3017amen
Perhaps at one time to be an atheist or agnostic was being a rebel, however in this day and age such people are dime a dozen. The two main characters in the movie "Juno" describe most people who come out of high school in America.
But i should say being a rebel or different doesn't neccesarily equate to being an ethical person. — christian2017
Perhaps at one time to be an atheist or agnostic was being a rebel, however in this day and age such people are dime a dozen. The two main characters in the movie "Juno" describe most people who come out of high school in America.
But i should say being a rebel or different doesn't neccesarily equate to being an ethical person.
— christian2017
I agree that it's no longer rebellious to be irreligious. I'd say that the dominant religion has simply changed. It's all on the front page of the culture war. The trans issue (to name just one) is a 'theological' problem. People were once terrified of being called atheists and are now terrified of being called racists, homophobes, etc. At the same time, someone like Jordan Peterson (who remembers him now?) could become almost instantly famous by casting himself as a rebel against the 'rebellion.'
I have seen Juno, and I agree with what I think is your implicit criticism of a certain predictable persona. I follow pop culture, and certain themes and heroes have been repeated, repeated, repeated. At the same time, godlessness is a difficult path, even as it becomes more common. The young, beautiful, and rich are living in the high-tech garden of delights, so they are exceptions perhaps. — jjAmEs
So for the 101 student, what are people looking for to prove God's existence? What domains of Philosophy are appropriate? What domains of Science are appropriate? — 3017amen
I think the notion of god as a creator and the fact that gods began as beings who controlled nature says it all - god(s) were explanations of natural phenomena and of nature itself. The problem is that the explanation (god) is a product of shoddy thinking - more of a vague notion than a carefully considered inference. — TheMadFool
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