God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?
Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.
It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.
This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.
To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.
In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.
Do you?
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
If God can predict everything in 100% detail, but if he also allows room for error, wouldn't it make sense that really bad things would happen? And to go on further that he would know that these things would happen. — christian2017
Gnosticism, but you wouldn't give me any reading material. There are different types of Gnosticism. — christian2017
How do you feel about Marcion? — christian2017
How is this even coherent? — tim wood
I was under the impression that evil grew out of free will. Isn't that the standard theological stance on evil's origins? The ultimate prize was freedom and evil just happened to be part of that deal. — TheMadFool
he will choose "evil", — Daniel C
But in his omniscience, "God" knows in advance what man's choice will be: he will choose "evil", — Daniel C
If God can predict everything in 100% detail, but if he also allows room for error, wouldn't it make sense that really bad things would happen? And to go on further that he would know that these things would happen.
— christian2017
You propose what breaks the law of the excluded middle. If 100% is known, there is no room for error.
Things are 100% or not. One cannot have both options at the same time.
Gnosticism, but you wouldn't give me any reading material. There are different types of Gnosticism.
— christian2017
True, that is why it is better to ask specifics so that I do not have to explain the lies the inquisitors used to try to justify their murders of us.
All types of Gnosticism begin with one being a free thinker and being an esoteric ecumenists with no supernatural beliefs. We are naturalists and know that trying to know the unknown supernatural god is a waste of time. Our myths are just myths to us and were invented as talking points before Christianity went stupid and began to read their myths literally. I seldom use them, other than the more moral or esoteric terms and sayings.
I use the following to show our general modern thinking.
Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.
You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.
The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.
In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.
That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
How do you feel about Marcion?
— christian2017
I agree with some of his views but not others.
He was using our myths in a literal way to put against the literal reading Christians.
That is just using one set of invented lies against another set of lies.
That is why I stick to reality, which is the Gnostic Christian way as we only believe in things that can be known as true and real.
Ours is more of an ideology than a theology even as we use the god word. God to us is just the best set of rules to live life by. These can change over time depending on the moral maturity of any peoples.
You may have noted that secular law is a hell of a lot better than theistic laws.
The one uniting factor of all Gnostic sects is that we put man above god. We recognize that they are all man made.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
imperfect dna — christian2017
Gnosticism began with the belief in supernatural. Gnosticism at the very least began in the 1st or 2nd century AD if not before. — christian2017
Your form of Gnosticism doesn't have alot of material available to all as Christianity has. — christian2017
When people study Kabalah (spelling) the people who want to know more are very often required to sware an oath (similar to free masons) before they can get more information from the Kabalah sage.. — christian2017
In this day and age you are more likely to get ridiculed for being Christian than a gnostic, so I'm not sure why your type of Gnosticism doesn't have a lot of reading material associated with it. — christian2017
imperfect dna
— christian2017
Scriptures say that only perfection can flow from perfection. To think perfection would produce imperfection is linguistically impossible. Then again, the bible shows god's creating as merely good. Just another of many contradictions in the book of myths.
Gnosticism began with the belief in supernatural. Gnosticism at the very least began in the 1st or 2nd century AD if not before.
— christian2017
With it' present name perhaps. I think free thinkers have always existed. We know that esoteric system like kabbala started in about the 13th century BCE.
There are also older tradition that have sought wisdom and not some god before that. The oldest serpent shrine is what, 79,000 years old or so.
Your form of Gnosticism doesn't have alot of material available to all as Christianity has.
— christian2017
Understood, but Christianity is a stagnant religion that posits that a genocidal god is somehow good and cannot evolve away from that really stupid thinking. Their homophobia and misogyny is also out dated and should have been revised out of their ideology. Gnostic Christianity did evolve in the distant past and we continue to denigrate Yahweh for the prick that he is shown to be. We were never homophobic and misogynous as we tied god's righteousness to equality because we are a universalist religion with a heaven but no hell. Our heaven is also more as Jesus described. Here and now. He also indicated that only the enlightened would see it as he and I do. What do you see?
When people study Kabalah (spelling) the people who want to know more are very often required to sware an oath (similar to free masons) before they can get more information from the Kabalah sage..
— christian2017
Back then, religions/tribes liked to tie in their adherents. It was all about the cash even as it is just that today. That is why so many Christian sects and denominations hate each other so much.
In this day and age you are more likely to get ridiculed for being Christian than a gnostic, so I'm not sure why your type of Gnosticism doesn't have a lot of reading material associated with it.
— christian2017
Christianity and Islam have soured the soup, so to speak, and Gnostic Christianity, even though it is hands down the best ideology that I know of, will go the way of all religions, as secularism and laïcité take over the future.
I don't mind as it is close enough morally to Gnostic Christianity.
Secularism looses the esoteric part of religion but so few of us reach the enlightenment stage that few will do the work required to get to that deeper level. I can tell you that it is hard work, and the rewards are individually rewarding but does little for the masses. The limits of enlightenment are not rewarding to those who seek some supernatural unknowable god.
Here is what I found and this link shows how hard it is to express. I just call it a cosmic consciousness and even I do not agree 100% with the description given.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGQTstWVCIw
I can tell you that from within that cosmic consciousness and knowing of our Father Complex, it is impossible for me to know if I was within myself or within an outside cosmic consciousness. DNA research is showing that our DNA stores a lot more information than we thought. We know for a fact that it hold multi-generational information.
If interested in Gnosticism, I recommend you read the Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels. She does a great job of analyzing Gnostic Christian thinking.
I also think there is a time limit for enlightenment. I was 39 when I suffered my apotheosis and I think I was a late bloomer because it took me that long to learn how to love or to find love.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
True in many cases, but I take the position that our free will is limited by evolution.
Evolution forces us to both cooperate and compete. When we cooperate, there is no evil. When we compete, we create a loser who will feel that evil has befallen him. That is the source of all human against human evil.
We have the free will to choose when we compete, mostly, but we do not have the free will to never compete unless we let ourselves and our line go extinct by exercising it.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
So you aren't entirely opposed to Kabbalah but you are opposed common Christianity? — christian2017
I've already showed you in other conversations we had that God/Jesus is not genocidal nor misogynistic. — christian2017
Once again thanks for the book recommendation. I find videos take too much time to watch, in terms of trying to figure out if the video is true or false. — christian2017
Alway's glad to find a responsible endorser. A question arises concerning the coherence of the following text, which you understand.Ask the scribes. I have no problem understanding what is meant. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
The one uniting factor of all Gnostic sects is that we put man above god. We recognize that they are all man made. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
So you aren't entirely opposed to Kabbalah but you are opposed common Christianity?
— christian2017
Kabbalah does not put god above man and is a knowledge and wisdom seeking ideology or thinking system. It is almost extinct and few even know what it is. Further, they are not the homophobic and misogynous and are not victimizing half the planet today with discrimination without a just cause.
I've already showed you in other conversations we had that God/Jesus is not genocidal nor misogynistic.
— christian2017
He will rule over you --- be silent in church and do not dare try to teach men is scripture.
Jesus also supports a no-divorce policy for women. Who was more against women getting the vote more than Christian men?
Yahweh already showed his genocidal side often in scriptures and Jesus is going to genocide all who do not accept him when he returns.
All these belie your view. If you are going to make false statement, back them up.
Once again thanks for the book recommendation. I find videos take too much time to watch, in terms of trying to figure out if the video is true or false.
— christian2017
She is a scholar. Not a televangelist liar. Books are better, no argument.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Ask the scribes. I have no problem understanding what is meant. — Gnostic Christian BishopAlway's glad to find a responsible endorser. A question arises concerning the coherence of the following text, which you understand.
Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Small steps first: who is speaking, and with what authority? (Not to be confused with the author, unless they're the same. — tim wood
Care to support that statement? It does not make sense of what I have read. — Valentinus
Other than essentially not being allowed to be preachers, i don't think the Bible is misogynistic. There is a lot more suicide among men in our modern age than women. — christian2017
Why do you assume divorce benefits women? Women could divorce men if the man cheated. — christian2017
Where in the Bible did God/Jesus condone genocide? I already showed you before that Joshua didn't commit genocide. — christian2017
Stop using my name in vain pls — Evil
I have no problem in coherently reading what is said. What is incoherent to you? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Other than essentially not being allowed to be preachers, i don't think the Bible is misogynistic. There is a lot more suicide among men in our modern age than women.
— christian2017
I adlib the bible.
He will rule over you. Do not dare try to teach men. Need I say more. If so, do some googling before your reply.
What suicide rates have to do with it is beyond me. Perhaps men know that many women are brighter than them and they can't take it.
Why do you assume divorce benefits women? Women could divorce men if the man cheated.
— christian2017
Sure, and be branded as a fornicator to make it harder to find a new husband. Why do you assume a divorce would hurt women, when it allows then to find a loving partner instead of staying in a loveless relationship?
Where in the Bible did God/Jesus condone genocide? I already showed you before that Joshua didn't commit genocide.
— christian2017
No you did not as you forgot Noah.
As to Jesus, I thought I quoted this.
Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Both Christianity and Islam are fascist regimes and both threaten to use genocide or inquisitions and jihads on everyone that does not follow them, should they ever get the power.
Why would you think otherwise given their vile murderous history?
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Man created God for his pleasure. — A Seagull
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