think truth must be objective, this is what is true for everybody. If something is true for you and not everybody else it wouldn’t be a fact and the truth of it would literally just be in a few people’s heads maybe. The world is bigger than your head we reason, so the truth of the world must be objective. — Maya
Sure, you and your feelings are part of the "objective truth of the world", so to speak, just as me and my feelings are. We can talk about each other's mental states in objective ways, as our mental states play a causal role in the world, and are a part of the world like boulders and waterfalls are.Aren't their truths about individuals? I can say I'm angry, you can say that I don't look angry. I can reply that I'm holding it in. Surely there is a truth about whether I feel angry — Marchesk
‘Objective’ means: based on real facts and not influenced by personal beliefs or feelings.
‘Subjective’ means: influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings, rather than based on facts. — Maya
philosophers can come up with so many different and conflicting theories — Wheatley
Theories of truth can be correct or incorrect. Just use the word 'correct' to describe a philosophical approach (or so-called 'theory') to addressing 'truth,' and the problem is solved. — Wheatley
@Banno raised that objection.What is the difference? If your post is correct, is it not true? It's as if a guilty man becomes innocent if he changes his name. — unenlightened
I got my patent on logic a while ago, and I'm currently working on a science patent. You won't be able to use the word 'subjective' without the risk of a lawsuit. I would be careful.'Subjective' is these days pretty much a term of abuse used by those who think they have the patent on logic and science. — unenlightened
Who invented the word 'subjectivity' anyhow? Let's murder them!.Thus we see it being argued that there can be no subjective truth. In which case it follows that there can be no subjective meaning. But then there is no meaning to 'objective truth' or 'objective meaning' either; there is simply 'meaning' and 'truth'. Distinctions are only meaningful and useful if they distinguish this from that. — unenlightened
Because knowledge = justified true belief?So here is the descent into madness: The only truth is objective truth, and there is no subjective truth. Therefore subjects cannot know things, only objects can. Therefore I am an object. — unenlightened
The problem there is, how do you know what is true for All? Of course, Science strives for Objectivity, by eliminating impossible or contradictory opinions. But most scientists will admit that the body of knowledge we call "science" is essentially a collective opinion, and is constantly adapting to new information. So Truth, with a capital "T", remains an elusive goal of human endeavor. Hence, for all practical purposes, we rely on small "t" subjective truth. And that includes scientists & experts, whose opinions should be closer to Truth, but still not technically Objective. God only knows the ultimate absolute Truth, everybody else is just guessing. Rules of Reason have been invented to guide us on the long & winding road to the pinnacle of Truth. :smile:I think truth must be objective, this is what is true for everybody. — Maya
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