The problem with correspondence theory is that it doesn't tell us what that correspondence consists in. — Banno
Nothing, then, is added by "It is true that...". Truth is redundant. — Banno
Perhaps truth is over rated. — Banno
It seems that the correspondence can simply consist in correspondence with conscious experience. — IP060903
The correspondence theory is usually that a statement will be true if it corresponds to the facts. — Banno
If what is true is what we consciously experience, then wouldn't our hallucinations be true? — Banno
it's not my experience that decides the truth of "I had eggs for breakfast". It's whether I indeed did have eggs. — Banno
But of course you could only know there was such a consensus via your own conscious experience...a consensus of conscious experience is what constitutes as truth. — IP060903
This is true, our experience does not determine the truth, but it informs us in regards to the truth. — IP060903
This is true.But of course you could only know there was such a consensus via your own conscious experience... — Banno
What's wrong with phenomenology?Take care lest you find yourself permanently up the garden path of phenomenology. — Banno
What do you mean by this? Which part which I spoke of that is no longer related to the truth, rather a restriction to my own belief?Then, as so often happens, you have stoped talking about what is true, restricting yourself to what you believe. — Banno
If we take the correspondence theory of truth, then truth is by definition objective, as it is what is in concordance with the objective world. If we take coherence theory or coherentism, that truth is simply what is concordant or what coheres with a set of beliefs or propositions, then truth is subjective. — IP060903
I approach this problem differently. I have this idea that "whatever goes up, must come down" (we call it 'gravity'). Suppose you came up to me and said, "you don't know that gravity exists." I throw up an apple, it goes up, and then goes down. I ask you if I just proved gravity exists. If you simply say "no," I will walk away and find someone more worthwhile to talk.I always thought people don't really know anything, because their ideas about the world could always be proven wrong, unless you've met every idea in the Universe that could ever possibly be created. So impossible to prove something to be objectively true/ true because possible ideas are infinite. — Maya
Truth is acquired through conscious experience, which is our sole gateway to reality, but the truth is already there within reality itself. — IP060903
Taking subjective to mean "influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings", it's a simple matter to find such statements:
Banno likes vanilla ice cream.
Trump is a poor excuse for a president
Being cold is unpleasant
Each of these is based on personal beliefs or feelings. Each is true.
Hence, there are subjective statements which are true.
Hence, not all true statements are objective. — Banno
But of course you could only know there was such a consensus via your own conscious experience...
Take care lest you find yourself permanently up the garden path of phenomenology. — Banno
You're so silly, Banno.Taking subjective to mean "influenced by or based on personal beliefs or feelings", it's a simple matter to find such statements:
Banno likes vanilla ice cream.
Trump is a poor excuse for a president
Being cold is unpleasant
Each of these is based on personal beliefs or feelings. Each is true. — Banno
If we take the correspondence theory of truth, then truth is by definition objective, as it is what is in concordance with the objective world. If we take coherence theory or coherentism, that truth is simply what is concordant or what coheres with a set of beliefs or propositions, then truth is subjective. — IP060903
I have a question, how would we classify a belief, or any belief at all to be true? — IP060903
Are you asking how we justify our beliefs? — Banno
Yes, that is indeed what I am asking. — IP060903
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