a large part of the country that would have had no inkling the ad was offensive (me, for example) — Hanover
trying to get you to see your biases, and pointing out that AE's plan, if there was one, was to get you to do exactly what you're doing. — AmadeusD
I'm curious what you mean by the younger being more values led. — praxis
Right. So people like you (and me) are either racist due to our biases and we don’t know it (so, asleep), or we are way above the fray and just color blind to race. (But that is probably a dream I’m having because I’m actually sleeping. Like Martin Luther King Jr apparently was.) — Fire Ologist
I’d take this to mean more led by feelings, much in line with Number2018 thesis of the OP. — Fire Ologist
I'm curious what you mean by the younger being more values led. — praxis
If that is intended to trivialise people’s position, then not exactly. — Tom Storm
everything is about feelings, isn’t it? — Tom Storm
Youngsters can be led by conservative values. I suppose you mean that youths may have a slight tendency to lean liberal. That appears to be statistically true according to recent surveys. — praxis
But don’t we need to scrutinize and dissect feelings from logic from biases, from theories and propositions - everything isn’t about feelings. Although I think there is a case to made that wokeness is all about feelings - it is for the sake of feelings and driven by emotions. — Fire Ologist
When they see ads that trade in implicit racism or sexism, they are disappointed by the choices made. — Tom Storm
No, they just are not relevant to what I'm pointing out. I've bene over why some of your responses are unreasonable at the time i responded to them. It doesn't seem to bare repeating.. You can review if you'd like to. — AmadeusD
Indeed. And by extension we would imagine that the values held by 'woke' activism would be strongest amongst this cohort. — Tom Storm
I cleverly avoided this fate by never growing up.
— praxis
:lol: Nice. All too telling (not about you, to be clear).. — AmadeusD
I think progressives need to understand that being conservative doesn’t mean having no heart or empathy or feelings.
And conservatives need to understand that being liberal doesn’t mean having no common sense. — Fire Ologist
What is humility? — Fire Ologist
If humility and respect really were our personal goals, there wouldn’t be so much outrage involved. People don’t seem to really want to be tolerant or appreciate true diversity, or think of themselves as all equal - people would rather hate the deplorables, hate maga, hate liberal elites, hate wokeist whiners. — Fire Ologist
I think progressives need to understand that being conservative doesn’t mean having no heart or empathy or feelings.
And conservatives need to understand that being liberal doesn’t mean having no common sense.
These are both simply not true. Generalizations are not helpful. — Fire Ologist
What good would woke folks be if they didn’t notice things that most people are oblivious to. :lol: — praxis
This suggests a conservative backlash disproportionate to the extent of the liberal position being used to present the left as radicalized. — Hanover
It's also possible the left took the bait by refusing to downplay the ad and instead chose to adopt the 12% minority as its official position. — Hanover
What is humility?
— Fire Ologist
No idea. — Tom Storm
But as a supporter of diversity and inclusion in general terms, — Tom Storm
that people do the best with what they have or with what that can understand — Tom Storm
all we can do is have a conversation with those who think differently — Tom Storm
the stumbling block to me seems to be tribalism and binary thinking. — Tom Storm
And when it comes to public discourse, the inflammatory approach of media tends to promote extreme, black and white. — Tom Storm
I’d say it’s as much a question of values as anything else, values that are informed by our affective and aesthetic dispositions. — Tom Storm
ultimately comes down to values. People prioritize their values differently, shaped by cultural influences and, perhaps, innate personal traits. — praxis
that people do the best with what they have or with what they can understand and all we can do is have a conversation with those who think differently. — Tom Storm
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