when I first realized that Christians lied, I was upset. — Paula Tozer
You know, when I first realized that Christians lied — Paula Tozer
More people have been killed in the name of a diety than any other way. — Paula Tozer
The problem is that your post is just a trauma dump, leaving the only appropriate response to be "sorry you went through that," and then maybe sharing similar stories we've had in order to validate your feelings.
Consider that done.
Now describe the lie (the intentional misrepresentation) of the truth by the Church, not just how the people in your life disappointed you. That way we might be able to respond philosophically, as opposed to just offering you personal encouragement. — Hanover
Philosophy is all about recognizing the forces that shaped you and trying to peep beyond them.
— frank
But is it really? If one is aware, truly, of what shapes not only one's self but the entire world, is it not something perhaps a bit more internal? :chin: — Outlander
I don't think "philosophy" has been to blame for mass murders, etc so much as dogmas have (i.e. unthinking, or rationalized, obedience to authority / tradition / popularity / superstition ...)One might even argue that philosophy (if we include political ideologies) may have been been responsible for more deaths than any other pathway. — Tom Storm
I didn't get that out of it. Philosophy is all about recognizing the forces that shaped you and trying to peep beyond them. If you don't encounter anything negative on that journey, you're probably in denial. — frank
I agree, there are a number of factors that are involved, but everyone believes that their version of god is on their side. — Paula Tozer
I don't think "philosophy" has been to blame for mass murders, etc so much as dogmas have — 180 Proof
These represent only a fraction of the religious conflicts throughout history. The total number of people killed in the name of a god is likely in the hundreds of millions, if not more. — Paula Tozer
Hey, you don't have to validate me. Or agree. It's about transparency on my part. My upbringing shaped me, as yours shaped you. I agree with Chris Hitchens and Sam Harris in this regard - you don't have to be religious to be a good person. In fact, religion warps the mind of those who must operate within its confines. — Paula Tozer
Perhaps. Perhaps not. That was not my reality, so I can't speak to that aspect. And yes, religious trauma is all too pervasive, way too pervasive. That's my point in sharing. A surgical, logical state of mind is sometimes hard won, wouldn't you agree? — Paula Tozer
Do you think that responsive to my post? — Hanover
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? — Nietzsche
I do. I didn't see a "poor me" in the OP. I saw this:
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
— Nietzsche — frank
Really, you believe that she was describing the collapse of Western civilization's reliance upon a foundational diety and challenge of finding a suitable replacement for the avoidance of existential crisis. — Hanover
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