Please, name one thing about Consciousness that we understand. — SteveKlinko
What is a mind if not consciousness? To say that one has a mind is to say that it has consciousness.Real Mind has Consciousness. Fake Mind has no Consciousness. But if we could give Consciousness to a Machine then it would not be a Fake Mind anymore, because Consciousness is the key. — SteveKlinko
So its aware of the face, but not aware that it is aware of the face? All we are doing is turning awareness back on itself creating a feedback loop. We can design a computer to be aware of it being aware. All that is required that we make its awareness another object to be aware of.Awareness that you have recognized a face is the difference. Even when the IBM Watson won Jeopardy it never knew it won. It could never enjoy that it won. Think about that. What is that difference? That is the answer. — SteveKlinko
Please, name one thing about Consciousness that we understand. — SteveKlinko
It's what you're using to make an argument right now. — John Days
Real Mind has Consciousness. Fake Mind has no Consciousness. But if we could give Consciousness to a Machine then it would not be a Fake Mind anymore, because Consciousness is the key. — SteveKlinkoWhat is a mind if not consciousness? To say that one has a mind is to say that it has consciousness
Awareness that you have recognized a face is the difference. Even when the IBM Watson won Jeopardy it never knew it won. It could never enjoy that it won. Think about that. What is that difference? That is the answer. — SteveKlinkoSo its aware of the face, but not aware that it is aware of the face? All we are doing is turning awareness back on itself creating a feedback loop. We can design a computer to be aware of it being aware. All that is required that we make its awareness another object to be aware of. — Harry Hindu
We are aware that we make arguments but do we understand anything about what that thing is that makes arguments? — SteveKlinko
Ultimately a computer is and always be equivalent to a very fast abacus. — Rich
Wouldn't that be true for human consciousness, as well? — John Days
We are aware that we make arguments but do we understand anything about what that thing is that makes arguments? — SteveKlinko
I think we can. We understand that sometimes that thing can be rational, and sometimes it can be irrational. We understand that there are levels to it, (e.g. sub-conscious). We understand that it is something that wants to be further understood. We understand that it has desires of all different kinds.
We understand that there can be only two possibilities for where it comes from (i.e. designed or random chance). We understand that when the body dies, consciousness does not remain in the body. And, we understand that there is more to understand about it.
Maybe I'm just not understanding your point? Can you be more specific about what you mean? — John Days
↪SteveKlinko A computer does not detect a face and certainly cannot be aware of one. A computer can only process on/off. It is the programmer (a human) that gives meaning to these on/off bits (a face?), and it is a human that gives awareness to any thing the computers spits out. Ultimately a computer is and always be equivalent to a very fast abacus.
Anyone who believes that a computer is anything more than a bunch of on/light switches had been watching way too much TV and should stop immediately — Rich
Please, name one thing about Consciousness that we understand. — SteveKlinko
You have only stated things about Consciousness that we already know. — SteveKlinko
I believe it is in the study of these things we know about consciousness which will help us to know what consciousness is, and it may even be self-defeating to constantly ask "what is consciousness" while the qualities of consciousness are listed. Maybe you are looking for an answer which is too simplistic, or you are stuck on the idea that consciousness cannot be defined no matter how much we explore how it manifests in practical, day-to-day life.
It's like you asking, "what is a pencil" and I say, "it's made of wood, with a lead core, shaped like a cylinder to be held in the hand and is used to make marks of various kinds on paper" and you respond with, "yeah, but what is that thing that draws on the paper?" — John Days
What about if we designed a robot that could act scared when it saw a snake? Purely mechanical of course. Part of the fear response would be the hydraulic pump responsible for oiling the joints speeds up, and that higher conduction velocity wires are brought into play to facilitate faster reaction times. This control system is regulated through feedback loops wired into the head of the robot. When the snake is spotted the control paths in the head of the robot suddenly reroute power away from non-essential compartments such as recharging the batteries and into the peripheral sense receptors. Artificial pupils dilate to increase information through sight, and so on.
This robot has been programmed with a few phrases that let the programmer know what is happening in the circuits, "batteries low" that sought of thing. In the case of the snake it reads all these reactions and gives the feedback "I'm scared."
Is is really scared?
Before you answer, and as you probably know, a long long time ago they did live vivisections on dogs and other animals because they did not believe they actually felt pain. The pain response- all that yelping and carrying on, was nothing more than a set of reflexes programmed into the animals, the scientists and theolgists argued. Only humans, designed in God's image actually felt pain as we know — MikeL
Fact is we cant even understand the wood of Consciousness. — SteveKlinko
Forget understanding the Lead. — SteveKlinko
What is the Red in your Conscious experience of Red? Is it made out of Matter? Is it made out of Energy? Is it made out of some aspect of Space? Seems to me it is something that is outside of known Science. Do you think you know what it is? I'm listening...Fact is we cant even understand the wood of Consciousness. — SteveKlinko
That's not a fact at all. And it would probably be better not to speak on behalf of all humanity in this area. You can't understand the wood of it. I think I've got a pretty good start on what consciousness is and I've given several examples of that, whereas you keep going back to, "No, we can't!".
Forget understanding the Lead. — SteveKlinko
But, why should I forget understanding the lead? Because you can't understand the wood? That doesn't make sense. Why should I let your unwillingness to understand also stop me from understanding? — John Days
What is the Red in your Conscious experience of Red? — SteveKlinko
Is it made out of Matter? Is it made out of Energy? — SteveKlinko
Seems to me it is something that is outside of known Science. — SteveKlinko
What is the Red in your Conscious experience of Red? — SteveKlinko
It's a color.
Is it made out of Matter? Is it made out of Energy? — SteveKlinko
As part of the spectrum of light, it can have both properties of matter and energy.
Seems to me it is something that is outside of known Science. — SteveKlinko
Nah, just google it, "What is light".
That we've agreed to call this particular spectrum of light "red" is an aspect of consciousness which seeks to define what it is and then label it for easy recognition among billions of other consciousnesses around the world. — John Days
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