I tend to agree, but isn't this ultimately a matter of worldview? The challenge, it seems, is how to persuade someone with a strongly libertarian or individualist orientation that communitarian values might offer a more viable or meaningful framework for social life. But if foundational assumptions differ how might we expect genuine persuasion to occur? Whatever the direction. — Tom Storm

Yes, that is indeed an issue, and the topic of both ethics and political philosophy. Ethics concerns what I should do, politics concerns what we should do. Of course, there is considerable interplay between to two, and ethics is already political, while politics... well, it might seek to be ethical.

Should I throw myself off the cliff after a heartbreak or do I allow someone to stop me? That is the question. — Copernicus

Is that a political question?

20 bottles? Let’s say it’s 20 drinks. — Tom Storm

American beer?

Copernicus seems intent on not paying attention to the communal implications of his predicament. Someone has to clean up the suicide. And the vomit.

Is there a country where libertarianism has worked out well? — RogueAI

Nothing has worked out worse more consistently than communism.

Is that a political question? — Banno

Of course.

Since you haven't moved past talk of yourself, I would say you are not in the domains of either politics or ethics.

why must the domain of politics be communitarian?

Because that's what politics is - community.

Added: Even “leave me alone” must be articulated and enforced through a common rule:
“We agree to leave each other alone.”

exactly. So should the individual have absolute freedom or should he be assisted (violating his autonomy) when he's endangering himself?

You try to juxtapose an individual's liberty against their welfare, treating the issue as if it were only about that individual. Since you still show no acknowledgement of the place of other folk in the question, you have not yet entered into an ethical or political discussion.

Why should we leave you alone? One of us will have to clean up the mess.

I tend to agree, but isn't this ultimately a matter of worldview? The challenge, it seems, is how to persuade someone with a strongly libertarian or individualist orientation that communitarian values might offer a more viable or meaningful framework for social life. But if foundational assumptions differ how might we expect genuine persuasion to occur? Whatever the direction.

It depends on what the communitarian means by “community”. If they mean the people we interact with, deal with, family and friends, then there is no contradiction. But as we can see they mean the state, the political community, where people are supposed to affiliate with others, even if they’ve never met, because they have the same letters on their passport or birth certificate.

Why should we leave you alone? One of us will have to clean up the mess. — Banno

What if you don't? What if drinking as a patient is bad for me? Should you be given the mandate to prevent me or let me rot?

Not seeing much progress in this discussion. Might leave it there.

I don't understand why philosophy is necessary for those who know everything. We should ask about this, because, judging by his comments, he knew the truth and the world was already completely clear to him.

I think you're basing it on current societal structure, whereas I'm talking from a minarchist societal perspective (little to no constitution) where individuals have full personal autonomy.

he knew the truth and the world was already completely clear to him. — Astorre

It is not. I'm still undecided whether the individual should have ultimate autonomy or minimal restraints.

As soon as you find a solution, be sure to let me know, I'll be waiting impatiently

I couldn't find one myself. That's why I opened it for discussion (hoping someone could shed some lights).

Let me clarify it again.

First, we philosophically (not politically) argue whether the individual warrants full autonomy or minimal intervention.

Then, we take the answer, doctrinize it, and codify it into the statutory law and make it political.

It depends on what the communitarian means by “community”. If they mean the people we interact with, deal with, family and friends, then there is no contradiction. But as we can see they mean the state, the political community, where people are supposed to affiliate with others, even if they’ve never met, because they have the same letters on their passport or birth certificate. — NOS4A2

Sounds like an interesting response- but I don’t think I follow the last bit. Can you put it differently?

but I don’t think I follow the last bit — Tom Storm

He meant nationality.